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New diabetes medications prove the OT wrong, obesity is not always a choice

Posted on 9/7/23 at 8:32 am
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 9/7/23 at 8:32 am
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Ozempic and similar drugs are transforming the world’s understanding of obesity. It isn’t so much about willpower: It’s about biology.

The success of the powerful new class of diabetes and weight-loss drugs shows how important chemistry is to determining a person’s weight. The brain is the body’s chief chemist, regulating appetite and making it difficult for many people to shed pounds and keep them off. The brain determines how much fat it wants people to carry, according to years of research bolstered by the new drugs. 

The amount is like a setting on a dial, or what many researchers call a “set point” or “defended fat mass.” The brain maintains the dial setting or set point by regulating how much a person eats. Ozempic, its sister drug Wegovy and another, Mounjaro, lower the dial setting, or set point, in effect by acting on the brain to reduce hunger and make a person feel full sooner, some obesity researchers say.

The new set point lasts as long as a patient is on the drug, they say. Patients who ate a lot before they started taking one of the drugs feel less hungry and fill up more quickly—sometimes after one slice of pizza when they once ate the whole pie.
WSJ (paywall alert)

Some fatties are definitely fat because of their choices but others are not. So the OT experts who say that fatties are only fat because they choose to be are wrong.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 9/7/23 at 8:34 am to
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Some fatties are definitely fat because of their choices but others are not. So the OT experts who say that fatties are only fat because they choose to be are wrong.


Whatever helps yall fat pieces of shite sleep at night.
Posted by thadcastle
Member since Dec 2019
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Posted on 9/7/23 at 8:34 am to
I'm not buying it.
Posted by IMA who dat
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
576 posts
Posted on 9/7/23 at 8:34 am to
ok, fatass
Posted by BruslyTiger
Waiting on 420...
Member since Oct 2003
4717 posts
Posted on 9/7/23 at 8:34 am to
quote:

Some fatties are definitely fat because of their choices but others are not. So the OT experts who say that fatties are only fat because they choose to be are wrong.

Found the fatty.
Posted by lsufan9193969700
Madisonville
Member since Sep 2003
55698 posts
Posted on 9/7/23 at 8:35 am to
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New diabetes medications prove 


I stopped reading after this.
Posted by Loup
Ferriday
Member since Apr 2019
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Posted on 9/7/23 at 8:35 am to
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Some fatties are definitely fat because of their choices but others are not.


doubt it
Posted by WaydownSouth
Stratton Oakmont
Member since Nov 2018
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Posted on 9/7/23 at 8:36 am to
I mean as long as your hormones are in check, thyroid, testosterone, estrogen, etc

Obesity is 100% a choice.

ETA:

quote:

The new set point lasts as long as a patient is on the drug, they say. Patients who ate a lot before they started taking one of the drugs feel less hungry and fill up more quickly—sometimes after one slice of pizza when they once ate the whole pie.




How about instead of a entire pizza, we eat a steak and sweet potato and take our fat arse to the gym.
This post was edited on 9/7/23 at 8:42 am
Posted by Proximo
Member since Aug 2011
20031 posts
Posted on 9/7/23 at 8:36 am to
the double digit IQ fat slob is coping pretty hard here
Posted by OldmanBeasley
Charlotte
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Posted on 9/7/23 at 8:37 am to
You may lose the weight, but you’ll always be fat boy to Oldmanbeasley.
Posted by DevilDagNS
Member since Dec 2017
2890 posts
Posted on 9/7/23 at 8:37 am to
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Ozempic, its sister drug Wegovy and another, Mounjaro, lower the dial setting, or set point, in effect by acting on the brain to reduce hunger and make a person feel full sooner, some obesity researchers say.



So, its an appetite suppressant? How is this groundbreaking? You know what else is an appetite suppressant? Water.

Also, wouldn't you get the same or similar result through ketosis wherein you limit your sugar/carb intake and force your body to use fat as its primary fuel source rather than glucose?

I still fail to see how this is not primarily driven by lifestyle vs. chemestry.
This post was edited on 9/7/23 at 8:39 am
Posted by Buck_Rogers
Member since Jul 2013
1986 posts
Posted on 9/7/23 at 8:40 am to
Diabetes can cause obesity.
Obesity can cause diabetes.
Chicken and the egg.
This post was edited on 9/7/23 at 8:41 am
Posted by Cheese Grits
Wherever I lay my hat is my home
Member since Apr 2012
58775 posts
Posted on 9/7/23 at 8:41 am to
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I mean as long as your hormones are in check, thyroid, testosterone, estrogen, etc


This is true

quote:

Obesity is 100% a choice.


Media and advertising sure does not help

Since the 1980's we seem to have a massive increase in sugar and salt. I can no longer eat at fast food joints as the salt and sugar overload
Posted by SG_Geaux
Beautiful St George, LA
Member since Aug 2004
79560 posts
Posted on 9/7/23 at 8:41 am to
quote:

I mean as long as your hormones are in check, thyroid, testosterone, estrogen, etc

Obesity is 100% a choice.


So if things you don't have direct control over are in check then it is a choice.

OK.
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
75026 posts
Posted on 9/7/23 at 8:41 am to
Nope. Sorry but that's a story to bolster the "neccessity" for those drugs.

quote:

The brain is the body’s chief chemist, regulating appetite and making it difficult for many people to shed pounds and keep them off.
This still demonstrates it's a willpower issue.
Posted by Proximo
Member since Aug 2011
20031 posts
Posted on 9/7/23 at 8:42 am to
Semaglutide will frick your gut up, cause cancer and disease and make you skinny fat

It’s a miracle! Obesity wasn’t a choice after all!
Posted by Huey Lewis
BR
Member since Oct 2013
4915 posts
Posted on 9/7/23 at 8:42 am to
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I mean as long as your hormones are in check, thyroid, testosterone, estrogen, etc


Overeating causes obesity. Obesity ruins a person's hormones. Obese people with ruined hormones then blame their obesity on their ruined hormones rather than blaming their hormones on their obesity.


Eta: and the same chicken/egg scenario plays out with virtually every obese person with a bad back.
This post was edited on 9/7/23 at 8:44 am
Posted by Proximo
Member since Aug 2011
20031 posts
Posted on 9/7/23 at 8:42 am to
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This still demonstrates it's a willpower issue.

That’s a bingo
Posted by Finnish
Member since Nov 2021
630 posts
Posted on 9/7/23 at 8:42 am to
So the drugs curb hunger. That’s not biology, just making the self control easier.
Posted by HouseMom
Member since Jun 2020
1383 posts
Posted on 9/7/23 at 8:43 am to
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The brain maintains the dial setting or set point by regulating how much a person eats.


But the brain still doesn't get to decide what a person puts in his mouth. A person may "feel" hungry. So what?

Show me some people who physically cannot lose weight with proper diet and exercise and then I'll listen.

I'm not saying some people aren't going to be naturally heavier than others. People just aren't naturally obese if they are eating a proper number of calories and exercising. These people may exist, but it is not common.
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