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re: "Gender affirming healthcare"
Posted on 7/20/23 at 7:56 pm to ThuperThumpin
Posted on 7/20/23 at 7:56 pm to ThuperThumpin
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chromosomal abnormality like Morris syndrome that lived as a woman for their young life continue to do so....even though they are chromosomly a male?
Why is it that trans supporters always have to use cases that are hardly ever seen? Only 2 out of 100,000 are born with Morris. Is it because you can't debate the other 99+%
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Posted on 7/20/23 at 8:15 pm to SOSFAN
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Why is it that trans supporters always have to use cases that are hardly ever seen? Only 2 out of 100,000 are born with Morris. Is it because you can't debate the other 99+%
Look I'm challenging my own perspective as well by asking these questions. You and 808 Bass have given good responses I haven't tried to dodge any of your questions I don't think and appreciate the dialogue
Frankly I think it would be cruel to force the individual to be one sex or another and would allow the individual to decide.
This post was edited on 7/20/23 at 8:19 pm
Posted on 7/20/23 at 8:25 pm to ThuperThumpin
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questions. You and 808 Bass have given good responses I haven't tried to dodge any of your questions I don't think and appreciate the dialogue
You have dodged and ignored facts while using the what if and maybe form of debate. You even went with the fantasy what ifs. I've shown you that the meaning of gender and sex have always been tied together yet you refuse to admit it. I've shown you a statement from a John Hopkins doctor that used a 30 year study to prove you wrong and frankly it's more cruel to encourage mentally ill behavior than it is to help it.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 8:30 pm to SOSFAN
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When ‘the tumult and shouting dies,’ it proves not easy nor wise to live in a counterfeit sexual garb. The most thorough follow-up of sex-reassigned people—extending over 30 years and conducted in Sweden, where the culture is strongly supportive of the transgendered—documents their lifelong mental unrest. Ten to 15 years after surgical reassignment, the suicide rate of those who had undergone sex-reassignment surgery rose to 20 times that of comparable peers
This is one. There are a lot more recent studies that counter it, but if you look at the analysis link I sent you it concludes the data is not really conclusive for a variety of reasons.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 8:48 pm to SOSFAN
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ignored facts?
Which facts did I ignore again?
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meaning of gender and sex have always been tied together yet you refuse to admit it.
I've listened to countless hours of debate on this. What can I say..im still thinking about and should it apply today in all cases. You made up your mind. The best you can do is try to convince others like me that are still forming an opinion on a lot of this stuff. Again I appreciate the discussion
This post was edited on 7/20/23 at 8:50 pm
Posted on 7/20/23 at 8:50 pm to ThuperThumpin
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This is one. There are a lot more recent studies that counter it, but if you look at the analysis link I sent you it concludes the data is not really conclusive for a variety of reasons.
The one I presented is known throrough follow up that took 30 years, in a country that supports trans. Show me one that in-depth with that amount of time. Recent ones don't have that. Numbers don't lie.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 9:18 pm to SOSFAN
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The one I presented is known throrough follow up that took 30 years, in a country that supports trans. Show me one that in-depth with that amount of time. Recent ones don't have that. Numbers don't lie.
There is notable issues with that study. And of course data can be skewed for all sorts of reasons.If one study convinces you thats cool man. There is a Dutch study that has more 20 times more subjects and went from 1972 to 2017 that counters that Swedish study. It again has its problems. That link I provided was an analysis of over 20 studies. It sure seemed unbiased to me and concluded that is much to undersrand on the issue and we should proceed with caution.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 9:25 pm to SOSFAN
quote:Tell you what, genius, next time you think I am changing a position, say something. And I will explain everything that you are missing and how the things I said are entirely consistent with one another ... for anyone bright enough to understand.
Pedohank you change your position with the same frequency that people Change underwear
You might even learn something.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 9:27 pm to SOSFAN
quote:Link?
The data says that those that undergo surgery and hormones having a higher suicide rate than those that don't so you would be wrong.
I am fairly confident that whatever source you cite ... will not actually say this.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 9:32 pm to ThuperThumpin
Live your life as a woman if that suits you. We really don’t GAF.
Just stay away from kids. If you don’t want cis/hetero lifestyles and explicit sexual concepts beyond biological procreation taught to kids, then you shouldn’t support this garbage. If you don’t support a guidance counselor taking a late blooming 13 year old female to get DD bolt ons and lip injections behind her parents back, then you should support it wrt sex reassignment.
Anything else is just political toilet water.
Just stay away from kids. If you don’t want cis/hetero lifestyles and explicit sexual concepts beyond biological procreation taught to kids, then you shouldn’t support this garbage. If you don’t support a guidance counselor taking a late blooming 13 year old female to get DD bolt ons and lip injections behind her parents back, then you should support it wrt sex reassignment.
Anything else is just political toilet water.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 9:32 pm to SOSFAN
quote:As suspected, the cited study does not REMOTELY say what you claim it says.
Ten to 15 years after surgical reassignment, the suicide rate of those who had undergone sex-reassignment surgery rose to 20 times that of comparable peers.
The following is the published conclusion of the study that you cite:
quote:He is comparing the suicide rate for post-surgical TG folks to the population as a whole. Yes, I too would expect their rate to be higher than the general population.
Persons with transsexualism after sex reassignment have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour and psychiatric morbidity than the general population.
The question is NOT whether surgery can make them as non-suicidal as a non-TG person. The question is whether surgery can make them marginally-less-suicidal than they otherwise would have been.
The CORRECT comparison would be to compare the post-surgical TG folks to the non-surgical TG folks. The sensible studies take that approach.
This post was edited on 7/20/23 at 9:44 pm
Posted on 7/20/23 at 9:33 pm to AggieHank86
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The data says that those that undergo surgery and hormones having a higher suicide rate than those that don't so you would be wrong.Link? I am fairly confident that whatever source you cite ... will not actually say this.
It’s not just “higher”. It’s 20x higher.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 9:34 pm to AggieHank86
Link
LINK
LINK
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Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population.
The authors did not find that surgery was the cause of increased suicide risk, writing in their paper that:
the results should not be interpreted such as sex reassignment per se increases morbidity and mortality. Things might have been even worse without sex reassignment.
This post was edited on 7/20/23 at 9:37 pm
Posted on 7/20/23 at 9:37 pm to AggieHank86
If they are affirmed and allowed to live their reality, why should their suicide rate be much different than anyone else? Or even different than, say, the gay community in general?
This post was edited on 7/20/23 at 9:38 pm
Posted on 7/20/23 at 9:41 pm to Vacherie Saint
quote:No one with any brains contends that most TG folks are icons of mental- or emotional-stability, ... just except for the dysmorphia. They are generally a seething BUNDLE of mental and emotional problems.
If they are affirmed and allowed to live their reality, why should their suicide rate be much different than anyone else? Or even different than, say, the gay community in general?
Again, the question is not whether transition will make them perfect. The question is whether transition will make them healthier than they would have been without it.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 9:42 pm to ThuperThumpin
Suicide Attempts Nearly 8 Times Higher Among Transgender People, Study Shows — Nationwide Danish study also found that transgender people had higher rates of mortality
So it would appear transgender as a whole is 9 times greater than regular kids. But post op is 20x greater.
Genital mutilation leads more kids to suicide. Amazing revelation. Who woulda thunk it.
Congrats prog tards. You’re killing more kids.
So it would appear transgender as a whole is 9 times greater than regular kids. But post op is 20x greater.
Genital mutilation leads more kids to suicide. Amazing revelation. Who woulda thunk it.
Congrats prog tards. You’re killing more kids.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 9:46 pm to AggieHank86
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Again, the question is not whether transition will make them perfect. The question is whether transition will make them healthier than they would have been without it.
And the answer pedohank is no it doesn't. Just as you stated they have a BUNDLE of mental issues. Transgender is a mental illness. Thank you for pointing this out.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 9:49 pm to Robin Masters
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Genital mutilation leads more kids to suicide. Amazing revelation. Who woulda thunk it.
They refuse to accept reality because it ruins their agenda.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 9:50 pm to SOSFAN
quote:You are TRULY a moron. I have acknowledged this observation from the very first time that transition surgery was ever discussed on this forum.
Just as you stated they have a BUNDLE of mental issues. Transgender is a mental illness. Thank you for pointing this out.
BTW, do you want to try again and provide a study that ACTUALLY supports your claim that transition surgery INCREASES the risk of suicide.
Because that first one was a HUGE swing-and-a-miss. The published CONCLUSION of the study was exactly the OPPOSITE of what you claimed.
This post was edited on 7/20/23 at 9:53 pm
Posted on 7/20/23 at 9:53 pm to the808bass
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think it’s abundantly clear that Thuper loves trannyism and isn’t “just asking questions
Aw man....we almost had a whole discussion without you trying to insult me or suss me out as something I'm not. Still enjoy talking to you.
Does not supporting minor transition support your notion that I love trannyism. Or that I oppose trans athletes playing in sports opposite if their birth sex?
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