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re: "Gender affirming healthcare"
Posted on 7/20/23 at 4:55 pm to ThuperThumpin
Posted on 7/20/23 at 4:55 pm to ThuperThumpin
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construct..idea that has been created and accepted by the people in a society. Would you agree to.thst
Wasn't slavery and women not being allowed to vote also created and accepted by the people in society? Accepted a new thought doesn't make it right now does it?
And just to correct you gender being a social construct wasn't " invented" because the actual meaning was changed to fit a new agenda. Same thing as woman and man.
This post was edited on 7/20/23 at 5:00 pm
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Posted on 7/20/23 at 5:02 pm to ThuperThumpin
So again do you believe a trans woman isn't the same as a real woman and what is your definition of a woman?
Posted on 7/20/23 at 5:05 pm to ThuperThumpin
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idea that has been created and accepted by the people in a society.
I think that’s not a great definition. I don’t think people agreed to the “idea of gender.” They observed gender differences and gender roles were reflected in those obvious differences.
All that to say, perhaps a better definition of social construct would be an idea that is an accretion to an objective fact that isn’t inherent in the original objective fact.
For example, men are in general more aggressive and physically stronger and faster than women. That’s the underlying objective fact.
The social construct which might follow from that is that the warrior class will be comprised of males.
Note that social constructs can be based on false perception of facts, as well. I.e. superstition. Or Marxism.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 5:10 pm to mahdragonz
Good point.
If gender is indeed a spectrum, then the degree of masculinity or femininity as characterized by penis size, breast size, lips, etc. can be altered by adults, just as they can by adults who want wholesale reassignment.
A child however, slow to develop or unhappy with their bodies, will be denied testosterone, estrogen, liposuction, lap band, or cosmetic surgeries for the same reason we believe children should be denied reassignment. They cannot consent.
Thanks for making the argument for us.
If gender is indeed a spectrum, then the degree of masculinity or femininity as characterized by penis size, breast size, lips, etc. can be altered by adults, just as they can by adults who want wholesale reassignment.
A child however, slow to develop or unhappy with their bodies, will be denied testosterone, estrogen, liposuction, lap band, or cosmetic surgeries for the same reason we believe children should be denied reassignment. They cannot consent.
Thanks for making the argument for us.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 5:17 pm to SOSFAN
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What was the definition of gender before it was changed?
If you research the etymology of the word gender you discover that the word gender, up until the 1970's in academia, and up until the 2010's in the general populace, had an identical meaning to sex. Gender meant sex.Dec 16, 2017
Gender as a social construct was only recently changed in order to fit a agenda. A agenda based on a lie.
This post was edited on 7/20/23 at 5:20 pm
Posted on 7/20/23 at 5:21 pm to mahdragonz
This narrative/agenda has nothing to do with healthcare. It's yet another play on language to normalize the absurd & blur the lines of reality,
& none of the intended outcomes are beneficial to society or humanity.
I saved this about a year ago, so imagine what it looks like today.
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& none of the intended outcomes are beneficial to society or humanity.
I saved this about a year ago, so imagine what it looks like today.
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Posted on 7/20/23 at 5:33 pm to SOSFAN
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you're saying that a trans woman isn't the same as a real woman? Better question " What is a woman"?
A biological adult female that identfies as a woman. A woman is a gender that is a collection of rules and expectations associated with the female sex. But you don't have to adhere to those roles to be a woman either I suppose. And there are some roles where men or women are due to nature more apt
It hard to nail down a definition of something socially constructed though...which right now is the lense I'm looking though..
Honestly I'm having a hard time seeing how gender is not socially constructed.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 5:34 pm to 2020_reVISION
Science.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 5:39 pm to ThuperThumpin
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I think we should maintain the distinction between transwomen and women.
We can.
It’s called MEN and women.
There is no such thing as a “transwoman.”
There are men, women, men that pretend to be women, women that pretend to be men, and hermaphrodites.
That’s it.
“I identify as” = “I pretend to be.”
Posted on 7/20/23 at 5:40 pm to SOSFAN
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Wasn't slavery and women not being allowed to vote also created and accepted by the people in society? Accepted a new thought doesn't make it right now does it?
I would agree yes. And that is the argument.. right. Is accepting this construct of trans beneficial. I think so...im not sure what else to do with them. Doesn't mean I buy into their entire agenda. And perhaps through these discussions Il change my mind
Posted on 7/20/23 at 5:53 pm to ThuperThumpin
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biological adult female
That is the only true correct answer to What is a woman.
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Honestly I'm having a hard time seeing how gender is not socially constructed.
Gender has never been socially constructed until the last few years when it was changed to fit a agenda. Why would you be so willing to accept that and not what it's meant for centuries?
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What was the definition of gender before it was changed?
If you research the etymology of the word gender you discover that the word gender, up until the 1970's in academia, and up until the 2010's in the general populace, had an identical meaning to sex. Gender meant sex.Dec 16, 2017
Posted on 7/20/23 at 5:54 pm to ThuperThumpin
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would agree yes. And that is the argument.. right. Is accepting this construct of trans beneficial. I think so...im not sure what
Do you believe telling a mentally ill person that what they think and believe is correct is helping them?
Posted on 7/20/23 at 6:00 pm to ThuperThumpin
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A woman is a gender that is a collection of rules and expectations associated with the female sex. But you don't have to adhere to those roles to be a woman either I suppose. And there are some roles where men or women are due to nature more apt
So exactly what are the rules and expectations that makes one a woman? But if you don't adhere to those rules how can that still make you a woman... explain.
Males can have feminine characteristics but they are still male just as females can have feminine characteristics but are still female.
So if a woman is a biological female than anything else is a false representation which is why you see the word " Trans".
Posted on 7/20/23 at 6:01 pm to HoopyD
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Gender affirming
I still love real pussy
Posted on 7/20/23 at 6:03 pm to Armymann50
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still love real pussy ?
So you would sleep with a transman that has a real pussy.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 6:07 pm to the808bass
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Note that social constructs can be based on false perception of facts, as well. I.e. superstition. Or Marxism
I guess I see gender as a term more transmutable. We assign gender to animals, inanimate objects The linguistic arguments are interesting .
Posted on 7/20/23 at 6:18 pm to SOSFAN
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Why would you be so willing to accept that and not what it's meant for centuries?
Language and meaning changes over time....all the time so that by itself does not bother me
Posted on 7/20/23 at 6:25 pm to ThuperThumpin
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We assign gender to animals, inanimate objects The linguistic arguments are interesting .
We assign gender to animals solely based upon genitalia. You want to take another stab at that or just leave it to look exactly as bad as it does?
Additionally, do you think there is some significance to a pencil being masculine in French?
This post was edited on 7/20/23 at 6:26 pm
Posted on 7/20/23 at 6:26 pm to Vacherie Saint
quote:THe same people that said we shouldn't be attracted to another person's physical appearances are the same ones that say people cannot be "affirmed" without taking on those physical appearances.
If gender is indeed a spectrum, then the degree of masculinity or femininity as characterized by penis size, breast size, lips, etc. can be altered by adults, just as they can by adults who want wholesale reassignment.
If gender is a "social construct" then body mutiliating surgery is not needed.
Posted on 7/20/23 at 6:30 pm to ThuperThumpin
quote:The reason you're struggling is because the "social construct" could only hold if genitals and other characteristics were created by society. If 1,000,000 people think you should have a vagina--you won't spontaneously grow one. 1,000,000,000,000 people hoping a woman sprouts a penis won't make it happen.
It hard to nail down a definition of something socially constructed though...which right now is the lense I'm looking though..
This post was edited on 7/20/23 at 6:31 pm
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