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How would we have viewed JD's season last year if we never saw Joe Burrow in 2019?
Posted on 7/17/23 at 6:22 pm
Posted on 7/17/23 at 6:22 pm
Long time lurker, first time poster. I was just thinking about this since the CWS ended & I rewatched a couple football games from last season. I do think we would still have questioned his reluctance to trust his receivers at times & his bailing on the pocket, but not nearly at the level if we hadn't seen the artistry of Burrow's pocket management. He knew when to step up, slide, escape, or eat it. And let’s face it, he threw more 50/50 balls up down the field & let our 1st round draft pick WRs go get it at a rate never before seen in college football. It will be hard for us to forget what we saw & naturally compare every LSU qb to that standard going forward.
But when you compare what JD did last year from a statistical perspective, I do think if 2019 wouldn’t have happened, we would have been thrilled.
Single Season passing yds:
1. JB - 5,671
2. Rohan - 3,347
3. JaMarcus - 3,129
4. Mett - 3,082
5. Jayden - 2,913
If that #1 stat isn’t there, JD was 4th best and roughly 400 yds from the previous best ever.
Single season total offense:
1. JB - 6,039
2. JD - 3,798
3. Rohan - 3,351
4. JB (2018) - 3,293
If that #1 isn’t there, that’s 450 more than we would have ever seen.
By the way, the 10th most TDs in a season by our amazing run of RBs over the years is 14, so JD was just under those at 11 for last year also.
Here are some of the best QB’s we’ve seen for a season (without JB in 2019):
Name- Eff - comp/att/int - pct - yds - td - lg - avg
JD 2022 - 144.5 266-388-3 68.6 2,913 17 54 208.1
JB 2018 - 133.2 219-379-5 57.8 2,894 16 71 222.6
Mett 2013 - 171.4 192-296-8 64.9 3,082 22 63 256.8
Flynn 2007 - 125.8 202-359-11 56.3 2,407 21 71 200.6
JaMarcus 2006 - 167 232-342-8 67.8 3,129 28 58 240.7
Mauck 2003 - 148.2 229-358-14 64.0 2,825 28 64 201.8
Rohan 2001 - 146.5 217-367-10 59.1 3,347 18 67 278.9
Hudson 1989 143.4 183-317-12 57.7 2,655 22 61 241.4
So, although I complained as much as anyone last year about Daniels, I do think if I had never seen Burrow in 2019, I wouldn’t have been quite as critical. With any kind of growth/improvement from him this year, he is plenty good enough to make us competitive in every game. My bold prediction is that if we don’t win it all, it will not be because of him.
***Misc observations while looking all of this up:
1. My goodness we had some horrible passing statistics most years! JB 2019 was a gift for what we had to watch most years!
2. It is a shame we never got to see what Perrilloux could do. His line was really good for just part-time duty in 2007
175.6 51-75-2 68.0 694 8 62 57.8 - wow! Oh, what could have been!!!
3. Jamie Howard was an interception machine!
But when you compare what JD did last year from a statistical perspective, I do think if 2019 wouldn’t have happened, we would have been thrilled.
Single Season passing yds:
1. JB - 5,671
2. Rohan - 3,347
3. JaMarcus - 3,129
4. Mett - 3,082
5. Jayden - 2,913
If that #1 stat isn’t there, JD was 4th best and roughly 400 yds from the previous best ever.
Single season total offense:
1. JB - 6,039
2. JD - 3,798
3. Rohan - 3,351
4. JB (2018) - 3,293
If that #1 isn’t there, that’s 450 more than we would have ever seen.
By the way, the 10th most TDs in a season by our amazing run of RBs over the years is 14, so JD was just under those at 11 for last year also.
Here are some of the best QB’s we’ve seen for a season (without JB in 2019):
Name- Eff - comp/att/int - pct - yds - td - lg - avg
JD 2022 - 144.5 266-388-3 68.6 2,913 17 54 208.1
JB 2018 - 133.2 219-379-5 57.8 2,894 16 71 222.6
Mett 2013 - 171.4 192-296-8 64.9 3,082 22 63 256.8
Flynn 2007 - 125.8 202-359-11 56.3 2,407 21 71 200.6
JaMarcus 2006 - 167 232-342-8 67.8 3,129 28 58 240.7
Mauck 2003 - 148.2 229-358-14 64.0 2,825 28 64 201.8
Rohan 2001 - 146.5 217-367-10 59.1 3,347 18 67 278.9
Hudson 1989 143.4 183-317-12 57.7 2,655 22 61 241.4
So, although I complained as much as anyone last year about Daniels, I do think if I had never seen Burrow in 2019, I wouldn’t have been quite as critical. With any kind of growth/improvement from him this year, he is plenty good enough to make us competitive in every game. My bold prediction is that if we don’t win it all, it will not be because of him.
***Misc observations while looking all of this up:
1. My goodness we had some horrible passing statistics most years! JB 2019 was a gift for what we had to watch most years!
2. It is a shame we never got to see what Perrilloux could do. His line was really good for just part-time duty in 2007
175.6 51-75-2 68.0 694 8 62 57.8 - wow! Oh, what could have been!!!
3. Jamie Howard was an interception machine!
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Posted on 7/17/23 at 6:38 pm to PerkinsVillageVandy
quote:
if we never saw Joe Burrow in 2019?
How can you even post this?
and put so much time and thought into it...
aint nobody reading all that
Posted on 7/17/23 at 6:43 pm to PerkinsVillageVandy
Too many people view Burrow as the standard now. He isn't. He was a once in a lifetime QB. JD is a really really good QB for LSU.
Posted on 7/17/23 at 6:43 pm to PerkinsVillageVandy
It definitely changes things, but it’s not just comparing him to Burrow. Offenses have changed drastically over the last decade and a great QB now isn’t the same as what a great QB was 15 years ago. He’s going to be compared to the elite quarterbacks that are playing today, not Rohan or JaMarcus. It’s nothing against Jayden, it’s just how it is and it’s how it’ll be for quarterbacks going forward. Hell, Myles was throwing for 300+ yards per game and people still hated him.
This post was edited on 7/17/23 at 6:45 pm
Posted on 7/17/23 at 6:57 pm to PerkinsVillageVandy
You can't use statistics from the past, to compare two QBs. The offense changes as does the rules.
Burrow was faking the defense offsides in his first game.
Burrow was faking the defense offsides in his first game.
Posted on 7/17/23 at 7:01 pm to PerkinsVillageVandy
He was a solid QB last year. Probably had too much responsibility placed on his shoulders, 550+ plays is too much. Had some very high highs and low lows. Florida, OM and Bama were highlights, finishing 118th in ypa, low in ypc and took too many sacks were the lows. A lot of people want him to be better at reading coverage but really if he’s just more consistent in what he already does well he’ll help the team a lot.
Posted on 7/17/23 at 7:04 pm to PerkinsVillageVandy
Stats don’t mean everything. The eyeball test means a great deal more than any statistic. Hell Bert Jones was a 1st team consensus All American in the early 1970s. They played less games and it was a totally different game then.
However when Bill Belicheat was asked who was the most talented QB he’d ever seen, he said it was when he was an assistant coach and had to go up against Bert Jones. There’s no way your 2,3,4 and 5 were better QBs than Jones. Again, stats aren’t everything.
However when Bill Belicheat was asked who was the most talented QB he’d ever seen, he said it was when he was an assistant coach and had to go up against Bert Jones. There’s no way your 2,3,4 and 5 were better QBs than Jones. Again, stats aren’t everything.
Posted on 7/17/23 at 7:10 pm to PerkinsVillageVandy
who knows, but the vast majority of LSU fans were very pleased with his performance. Looking forward to JD getting rid of the ball sooner this year on some plays.
Posted on 7/17/23 at 7:31 pm to PerkinsVillageVandy
It’s a good point
Bc the majority of the people trashing Daniels
Also didn’t have the requisite football IQ to know that Burrow was also a good QB in 2018
Now everyone acts like they are a QB expert, just bc we had 1 guy have the best season in college football history.
And unfortunately those people aren’t intelligent enough to realize that 2019 Burrow was a 1 off that will never be merely approached, let alone matched by anyone else in College Football History, let alone another LSU QB.
Bc the majority of the people trashing Daniels
Also didn’t have the requisite football IQ to know that Burrow was also a good QB in 2018
Now everyone acts like they are a QB expert, just bc we had 1 guy have the best season in college football history.
And unfortunately those people aren’t intelligent enough to realize that 2019 Burrow was a 1 off that will never be merely approached, let alone matched by anyone else in College Football History, let alone another LSU QB.
Posted on 7/17/23 at 7:39 pm to PerkinsVillageVandy
Joey B set the bar for every LSU QB that will come after him. I know you are not really comparing their seasons stats against each other, but more of the reaction of the fans that were critical or supportive of the season JD had.
I'm hoping this year he pushes some of the records JB set his last year at LSU. If JD and the team can make the same improvement as the 2018 team did to 2019, it's going to be a hell of a season.
I'm hoping this year he pushes some of the records JB set his last year at LSU. If JD and the team can make the same improvement as the 2018 team did to 2019, it's going to be a hell of a season.
Posted on 7/17/23 at 7:41 pm to PerkinsVillageVandy
Same as I do not. He is overly cautious to be successful as a passer. He has to be wiling to throw picks, especially deep. He is a two-checks-and-run QB.
Posted on 7/17/23 at 7:49 pm to PerkinsVillageVandy
The problem isn’t that Daniels didn’t produce yards, it is the throws he didn’t make. It’s the open receivers he didn’t see or just didn’t throw to. His running and scrambling was spectacular. His field vision and/or commitment to throw was not.
Posted on 7/17/23 at 7:52 pm to PerkinsVillageVandy
That was his 3rd season as a starter, false comparison.
Posted on 7/17/23 at 8:18 pm to PerkinsVillageVandy
Daniels had some amazing moments and or games last season. What hurts him the most with our fanbase is that when he was off………..:he looked a lot like a Less Miles QB Trying not to lose and not pushing the ball down the field. Except our offense last season wasn’t built for the RB to go for 120 yards every game. I think Daniels will be awesome this fall. We shall see.
Posted on 7/17/23 at 9:22 pm to PerkinsVillageVandy
He is a great runner and a worse passer then a sophomore Max Johnson.
Posted on 7/17/23 at 10:41 pm to PerkinsVillageVandy
quote:
How would we have viewed JD's season last year if we never saw Joe Burrow in 2019?
Literally every single LSU fan would 100% be expecting a national championship and undefeated season this year. I’m still flabbergasted that some fans still want JD to be benched.
Posted on 7/17/23 at 10:46 pm to PerkinsVillageVandy
This old story. Bro, he just needs to stop being scared of throwing it downfield. He has the arm and needs to trust it. He can be unstoppable.
Posted on 7/18/23 at 4:16 am to PerkinsVillageVandy
quote:The short answer would be the comparison of JD and Brandon Harris.
How would we have viewed JD's season last year if we never saw Joe Burrow in 2019?
The reason being is the how many times throughout the game the "throw the f'ing ball" meter was in the red.
He was in a new system, on a new team, with a new staff from top to bottom. Hard for any QB or player for that mater to be elite 100% of the time.
This season I believe JD should light it up. All the pieces are in place on offense for a spectacular year numbers wise.
Posted on 7/18/23 at 4:40 am to PerkinsVillageVandy
he was sacked 43 times. that stat needs to improve drastically. his other stats were decent to good imo.
Posted on 7/18/23 at 6:19 am to PerkinsVillageVandy
Bottom line- he failed to read the defenses.
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