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Federal interest expenditures vs tax receipts

Posted on 7/14/23 at 10:22 am
Posted by LSUcam7
FL
Member since Sep 2016
8854 posts
Posted on 7/14/23 at 10:22 am
There’s a fiscally conservative brick wall coming at some point, right?




You’d have to think receipts aren’t going to immediately rebound over the next 9-12mos.. Fed likely raising rates further to some degree doesn’t help either.

Biden plan:

Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
40253 posts
Posted on 7/14/23 at 3:22 pm to
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Biden plan:


To be fair, this is also the Trump plan, Obama Plan, Bush Plan, etc.

No one from either party is serious about cutting spending, much less reducing debt.
Posted by LSUcam7
FL
Member since Sep 2016
8854 posts
Posted on 7/14/23 at 4:12 pm to
Fact. There hasn’t been a true fiscal conservative in decades.

Partly why aligning with a party is a complete joke.
Posted by SloaneRanger
Upper Hurstville
Member since Jan 2014
12868 posts
Posted on 7/14/23 at 6:35 pm to
When the music stops things are going to get real interesting.
Posted by KennytheTiger
bella vista ar
Member since Apr 2012
469 posts
Posted on 7/16/23 at 10:18 am to
Agree. The weak minded always blame the "others" with lazy, uninformed arguments.

I would guess the OP can't name the last president to have a surplus budget.
Posted by Eli Goldfinger
Member since Sep 2016
32785 posts
Posted on 7/16/23 at 1:58 pm to
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I would guess the OP can't name the last president to have a surplus budget.


I would bet it only happened when the presidency and senate are controlled by differing parties.
Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
37152 posts
Posted on 7/16/23 at 4:02 pm to
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would guess the OP can't name the last president to have a surplus budget.


I think the last two were Clinton and Nixon.
Posted by ChEgrad
Member since Nov 2012
3777 posts
Posted on 7/16/23 at 7:01 pm to
Those charts show tax receipts are up a trillion dollars since 2020. Interest payments up 400 billion. The real problem is too much other spending.
Posted by Aubie Spr96
lolwut?
Member since Dec 2009
43977 posts
Posted on 7/17/23 at 3:10 pm to
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Fact. There hasn’t been a true fiscal conservative in decades.

Partly why aligning with a party is a complete joke.


It's one of my key issues. It's incredibly frustration watching Rs and Ds argue over various inconsequential social issues while they both spend us into certain doom.
Posted by KennytheTiger
bella vista ar
Member since Apr 2012
469 posts
Posted on 8/13/23 at 7:24 pm to
Smart man. Correct.
Posted by Bard
Definitely NOT an admin
Member since Oct 2008
57977 posts
Posted on 8/14/23 at 4:19 pm to
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No one from either party is serious about cutting spending, much less reducing debt.


This. The GOP is the lesser of the two evils in this but it's akin to saying having 7 fingers cut off isn't as bad as having 8 cut off.

I've said this for over a decade now but the biggest issue with this is that no one goes to DC to serve only one term. What I mean is that the level of cuts needed would enrage voters from across the spectrum to the point where anyone proposing or voting for such cuts would very likely be ending their political careers.

For example, the FY2022 budget would have had to be cut by 21.9% (this is across the board, everything from legislator salaries to military retirements to electricity bills for government buildings to Section 8, etc) just to break even (higher, if you start blocking off things). Who is going to propose such a budget? Who is going to vote for it?

The answer to those two questions is the same: no one.

For the foreseeable future we have $1T+ projected annual deficits. That debt has interest (and the interest is high, unlike the interest of the last couple of decades), meaning the federal government is going to need more and more just to service the debt. As that servicing amount grows, the likelihood that we'll ever pay the debt down diminishes.

FY2022 receipts were $4.8T, servicing for FY2022 was $.7T ( LINK). Since FY2008 deficits amounts have routinely exceeded servicing payments. When your debt servicing is more than your deficit, you're paying at least some of your debt with revenues. When your deficit is higher than your debt servicing, that marginal amount is how much extra debt you are creating just to service your debt. For a decade and a half we've been creating more debt to service debt and, as such, that marginal amount is growing.

So not only are we creating more debt by Congress spending crazily, we're at a point where even our debt servicing is creating marginal debt.

That's unsustainable. It's not a matter of "if", but "when".
Posted by BestBanker
Member since Nov 2011
18996 posts
Posted on 8/14/23 at 4:50 pm to
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Retirement Assets Total $35.4 Trillion


They don't care. They've got their eye on something that can help.
Posted by Bard
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Member since Oct 2008
57977 posts
Posted on 8/15/23 at 8:26 am to
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They don't care. They've got their eye on something that can help.


That could cause a revolt, especially if they don't age limit it to something like "under 65".

Retirees have lots of spare time to protest.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91362 posts
Posted on 8/15/23 at 8:29 am to
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They don't care. They've got their eye on something that can help.


How do you think this is going to happen?

The money is already taxed as income when it’s withdrawn. People that think it will be more than that haven’t thought it out very well.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
Cajun Navy Vice Admiral
Member since Oct 2012
40326 posts
Posted on 8/15/23 at 8:53 am to
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The money is already taxed as income when it’s withdrawn.


Yea people like to ignore that little fact whenever they talk about how the government is going to raid 401ks.

401ks are already taxed at the highest rates. Higher than any other long term investment.
Posted by BestBanker
Member since Nov 2011
18996 posts
Posted on 8/15/23 at 10:32 am to
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The money is already taxed as income when it’s withdrawn.

It hasn't been withdrawn yet. It's a target. 35 trillion untaxed.
Posted by lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
11767 posts
Posted on 8/15/23 at 10:47 am to
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Fact. There hasn’t been a true fiscal conservative in decades.

Partly why aligning with a party is a complete joke.


Most "conservatives" now are Left of Clinton.
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