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VOO or QQQ

Posted on 6/20/23 at 9:04 pm
Posted by 7even Costanza
Member since Sep 2022
27 posts
Posted on 6/20/23 at 9:04 pm
Which one is the better ETF? I have 3 kids and looking to start investing for them. Minimum of 20 years to invest.
Posted by ItzMe1972
Member since Dec 2013
9824 posts
Posted on 6/20/23 at 9:12 pm to
Posted by FriscoTiger
Frisco, TX
Member since Aug 2005
3505 posts
Posted on 6/20/23 at 9:24 pm to
Go 50/50 between both of them
Posted by oneg8rh8r
Port Ludlow, WA
Member since Dec 2003
2707 posts
Posted on 6/20/23 at 9:29 pm to
long term, I'd choose QQQ because of Tesla.

I personally have TQQQ. I know it isn't designed to be bought and held due to the reset, but I'm OK with it.
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
53502 posts
Posted on 6/20/23 at 9:31 pm to
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I personally have TQQQ. I know it isn't designed to be bought and held due to the reset, but I'm OK with it.




I love TQQQ with selling options!
Posted by 7even Costanza
Member since Sep 2022
27 posts
Posted on 6/20/23 at 9:40 pm to
Thanks
Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
24185 posts
Posted on 6/21/23 at 7:09 am to
Do NOT to TQQQ as a 20 year hold strategy. That is horrible advice.

VOO is a more sound strategy if you want a single fund for that long. If you want more tech exposure then put some in QQQ.
Posted by slinger1317
Northshore
Member since Sep 2005
5887 posts
Posted on 6/21/23 at 7:18 am to
In March 2020 when the market sunk due to Covid, I dumped a shitload into VOO and VUG. They are both up over 40% since then. Best move I've ever made, and I usually suck at timing things. Letting it ride for the long term.
Posted by KWL85
Member since Mar 2023
1193 posts
Posted on 6/21/23 at 7:22 am to
VOO with biggest % of the money invested. QQQ or something else with a smaller share.
Posted by Sir Saint
1 post
Member since Jun 2010
5327 posts
Posted on 6/21/23 at 9:56 am to
QQQM is slightly better for buy and hold compared to QQQ.
Posted by OTIS2
NoLA
Member since Jul 2008
50185 posts
Posted on 6/21/23 at 10:43 am to
I dropped money in both, at their high point (before the 2022 decline, of course haha). I'll throw money at them periodically for very long term investment.
Posted by Texas Tea 123
Member since Sep 2017
208 posts
Posted on 6/21/23 at 1:16 pm to
Over the long term my recommendation would be VOO. It will be less volatile as it is more of a "total market" type ETF vs. QQQ which is very tech heavy / high flying growth companies heavy. Lower expense ratio, which doesn't matter much for a <10 yr holding period, but for longer than that, can start to have a drag on performance

70/30 VOO/QQQ may be a good balance
Posted by SlidellCajun
Slidell la
Member since May 2019
10503 posts
Posted on 6/21/23 at 2:02 pm to
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70/30 VOO/QQQ may be a good balance


Not bad advice but it depends on what you want

The qqq has outperformed voo by a lot so I would probably swing the ratio to 70/30 qqq to voo but that’s me
This post was edited on 6/21/23 at 2:10 pm
Posted by Grooler
USA
Member since Dec 2009
484 posts
Posted on 6/21/23 at 2:44 pm to
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Do NOT to TQQQ as a 20 year hold strategy. That is horrible advice.



I often hear this, and I don't necessarily disagree. But I haven't heard a good explanation. Care to elaborate?
Posted by RoyalWe
Prairieville, LA
Member since Mar 2018
3135 posts
Posted on 6/21/23 at 5:50 pm to
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I often hear [Do NOT use TQQQ as a 20 year hold strategy], and I don't necessarily disagree. But I haven't heard a good explanation. Care to elaborate?
Jason Zweig on TQQQ (2020)

Nobody complains about the upside of TQQQ. They only focus on the magnified downside, which means "you can lose money on it even in a flat or rising market." This is the nail in the fund's coffin to him and many other people. If you're aligned with the investment establishment orthodoxy of diversifying, allocating based on age, conflating risk with volatility, etc., TQQQ is not for you. In my opinion, anyone investing in TQQQ needs a non-emotional system of buying and selling that allows you to take advantage of its volatility.
Posted by kaaj24
Dallas
Member since Jan 2010
620 posts
Posted on 6/21/23 at 7:02 pm to
Consider VGT if interested in tech
Posted by Grooler
USA
Member since Dec 2009
484 posts
Posted on 6/22/23 at 10:30 am to
Thanks for the explanation and the link. I guess what I was looking for was some kind of understanding of the long-run trend. For example, are long-run average returns 3x the QQQ trend (ignoring fee difference)? Of course there will be higher volatility in TQQQ--maybe even >3x QQQ volatility, but if you're a young investor with high risk tolerance, why not use TQQQ as a long-run investment strategy? Is the magnified downside disproportionate to the magnified upside, leading to long-run losses in a market without large average returns? If so, is that caused by the high fees or some kind of geometric compounding property? Maybe the answers are not well known.
Posted by Texas Tea 123
Member since Sep 2017
208 posts
Posted on 6/22/23 at 12:18 pm to
QQQ outperformance over the past 10-15 years was driven by low interest rates, it's almost as simple as that

Pendulum swings in the 2020s methinks
Posted by RoyalWe
Prairieville, LA
Member since Mar 2018
3135 posts
Posted on 6/22/23 at 12:41 pm to
I'm not young, and TQQQ is my largest holding, so you won't find me arguing against a young investor with a high-risk tolerance doing the same. One common assumption by nay-sayers of TQQQ is that people can't handle the emotional rollercoaster of TQQQ. They assume people won't hold when the price drops drastically (as it has) or that people won't buy more shares when the price drops. If you have the fortitude and means (or planning) to do those things, then taking a long view, I think TQQQ is a no-brainer.

Texas Tea points to interest rates being the 'sole driver' of QQQ's performance. I don't see it this way. Indeed, the price of tech stocks is greatly affected by interest rates due to the discounting of future profits. Low-interest rates provide an environment for all companies to do business more efficiently and do it cheaper than they would otherwise. Low-interest rates do not explain the growth of tech stocks over a decade.

These companies have grown because they have changed the future with their inventions. They have created markets for new products and services. They have provided productivity gains and have been rewarded for those activities. Automation and AI have only just come onto the scene. I wouldn't bet against them.
Posted by RoyalWe
Prairieville, LA
Member since Mar 2018
3135 posts
Posted on 6/22/23 at 1:54 pm to
A downvote without a comment doesn't help anyone learn anything. If there's something to discuss, don't be afraid to speak and maybe we'll all learn something.
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