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re: Trump declass'd everything why does the DOJ and media keep saying the docs are classified?
Posted on 6/9/23 at 4:31 pm to pankReb
Posted on 6/9/23 at 4:31 pm to pankReb
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Ok. Allegedly, trump is on tape admitting to not declassifying material and then showing them to his friends and a guy writing a book for him.
"Trump saying they are not declassified does not mean they are not declassified dammit!"-Cult45
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Posted on 6/9/23 at 4:31 pm to Byron Bojangles III
If Trump’s fricked it’s because they simply said to hell with the judicial/trial part and skipped straight to the penalty phase.
Which is their next outrageous move - just skip any court proceedings altogether. Why even bother when there’s no consequences for anything they do in sight
Which is their next outrageous move - just skip any court proceedings altogether. Why even bother when there’s no consequences for anything they do in sight
Posted on 6/9/23 at 4:32 pm to jbdawgs03
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So kinda like how he allegedly colluded with Russia in 16
You consistently have the most absolutely wtf responses that I’ve ever seen.
Posted on 6/9/23 at 4:33 pm to masoncj
quote:They already did pass the laws. You can’t just take any document or item and keep it after your presidency, just because you had access to it during your presidency.
Then have Congress pass a fricking law that’s clear on what is and isn’t allowed on the moving trucks on Jan 20th for ALL president moving forward!
That said, if you take a bunch of things, and the government says they need to be returned, then you should probably return the things, but at the very least, don’t spend 18 months slowly returning some of them, but then refusing to return the rest, lie about having them, then try to hide/destroy them.
Like we can talk about all the issues with enforcing the letter of laws, even when the situations are clearly counter to the spirit of them, but this is not one of those cases.
Posted on 6/9/23 at 4:33 pm to loogaroo
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But it is though.
It does not reference classification.
Do you have something stating that 18 US 793(e) does not apply to a former President?
Not being combative, I’d like to see it.
Posted on 6/9/23 at 4:36 pm to masoncj
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refusing to return documents,
They raided MAL roughly a year and a half after Mumbles was sworn in. Obama still had classified papers locked up in a furniture warehouse as late as 2018.
Posted on 6/9/23 at 4:37 pm to Fun Bunch
Posted on 6/9/23 at 4:37 pm to BuckyCheese
Allegedly, Trump is on tape pissing on Russian hookers.
Allegedly Trump is on tape dropping N bombs and Tom Arnold has a copy!
Willful ignorance
Allegedly Trump is on tape dropping N bombs and Tom Arnold has a copy!
Willful ignorance
Posted on 6/9/23 at 4:37 pm to Bunk Moreland
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For the millionth time, WTF does crossfire hurricane have to do with the documents at issue?
It doesn’t, but you just flood the zone with shite. Just as Sloppy Steve teaches.
Posted on 6/9/23 at 4:38 pm to loogaroo
This is spot on. This needs to get fast tracked through the system where it will go down in flames.
Posted on 6/9/23 at 4:39 pm to Vacherie Saint
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This is spot on. This needs to get fast tracked through the system where it will go down in flames.
100%
Posted on 6/9/23 at 4:39 pm to loogaroo
I sort of agree with a lot of that but it remains, I know of nothing in 18 us 793(e) that makes classification relevant or says it specifically doesn’t apply to a former President.
Posted on 6/9/23 at 4:40 pm to Vacherie Saint
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Allegedly, Trump is on tape pissing on Russian hookers. Allegedly Trump is on tape dropping N bombs and Tom Arnold has a copy! Willful ignorance
I assume that if they put it in the indictment they have the evidence.
If don’t the shitstorm will be epic.
Posted on 6/9/23 at 4:40 pm to GumboPot
Why do you even listen to the media
Posted on 6/9/23 at 4:41 pm to Fun Bunch
There is no crime. It only applies to a lesser office.
Posted on 6/9/23 at 4:41 pm to loogaroo
quote:Not it’s not.
But it is though.
quote:WAS the president, is a lot different than IS the president.
He was the president.
quote:And this actually isn’t true, which is why the classification issue doesn’t really matter. Many of these are special defense/national security documents that cannot be accessed outside of secured containment facilities, even by those who are allowed to access them, including sitting presidents.
The only motherfricker that that statute doesn't apply to.
You shouldn’t have to be very smart or think very hard to realize why it’s bad for someone to take very sensitive national security documentation with plans, maps,
asset names, etc., and just store them in your bathroom or stage, at a place that hosts a lot of guests, and then show them off from time to time to random guests.
But it should be even more obvious that when the government realizes you have the documents, and says they need returned, you shouldn’t refuse return a bunch of them, then lie about it, and try to hide/destroy the evidence.
Posted on 6/9/23 at 4:42 pm to masoncj
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That said, this doesn’t make any sense at all, since this would mean FORMER presidents can declassify materials by simply possessing them. How does that even make any sense?”
When a president takes records from the white house after his term, they are classified as personal records, because he took them.
No one gets to refute him. They are his personal records simply by the act of him taking them.
And if they are his personal records, then he can do whatever he wishes with them.
Now this is the way the pra has been handled up to this point.
And you need to understand, I don't believe Trump is being prosecuted for having classified documents. He is being prosecuted under the espionage act.
And the bar of the espionage act is in most cases incredibly high. And honestly rightly so.
In general, many feel it is politically motivated. And if this was a Democrat, he would not be prosecuted for it.
I find this entire episode very concerning. Garland is a joke and has turned the doj into a total laughing stock of political prosecutions.
This sets a dangerous precedent for the Republicans, if they attain the white house, to do similar things.
And that means we would be nothing but a banana republic.
I hope people thing long and hard about this and the precedent it sets, though I doubt democrats will.
Posted on 6/9/23 at 4:42 pm to BuckyCheese
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Ok. Allegedly, trump is on tape admitting to not declassifying material and then showing them to his friends and a guy writing a book for him.
"Trump saying they are not declassified does not mean they are not declassified dammit!"-Cult45
Amen …how slow are these Dems on the board. Just because I say murder is not a crime doesn’t make it so
Trump saying the same about the lack of declassification had no bearing on what scotus has already ruled.
Like I mentioned Congress can easy solve all this by passing a clear codified law on the matter at hand but they haven’t and it all comes down to PRA
Ok. Allegedly, trump is on tape admitting to not declassifying material and then showing them to his friends and a guy writing a book for him.
"Trump saying they are not declassified does not mean they are not declassified dammit!"-Cult45
Amen …how slow are these Dems on the board. Just because I say murder is not a crime doesn’t make it so
Trump saying the same about the lack of declassification had no bearing on what scotus has already ruled.
Like I mentioned Congress can easy solve all this by passing a clear codified law on the matter at hand but they haven’t and it all comes down to PRA
Posted on 6/9/23 at 4:43 pm to thetempleowl
Well put. No one should be able to disagree with that.
Posted on 6/9/23 at 4:44 pm to Vacherie Saint
quote:I don’t even know what the Tom Arnold thing is about, but neither of those things were in a criminal indictment that the government says it has in its possession, and will be required to actually show it.
Allegedly, Trump is on tape pissing on Russian hookers.
Allegedly Trump is on tape dropping N bombs and Tom Arnold has a copy!
Whether those other tapes exists or not, has nothing to do with the likelihood of this tape’s existence.
This post was edited on 6/9/23 at 4:45 pm
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