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Mysterious species buried their dead and carved symbols 100,000 years before humans

Posted on 6/6/23 at 10:05 am
Posted by LSUDVM1999
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Posted on 6/6/23 at 10:05 am
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Researchers have uncovered evidence that members of a mysterious archaic human species buried their dead and carved symbols on cave walls long before the earliest evidence of burials by modern humans.

The brains belonging to the extinct species, known as Homo naledi, were around one-third the size of a modern human brain.

Fossils belonging to Homo naledi were first discovered in the Rising Star cave system in South Africa during excavations in 2013.

the research team has discovered the remains of Homo naledi adults and children that were laid to rest in the fetal position within cave depressions and covered with soil. The burials are older than any known Homo sapiens burials by at least 100,000 years.

During the work to identify the cave burials, the scientists also found a number of symbols engraved on the cave walls, which are estimated to be between 241,000 and 335,000 years old, but they want to continue their testing for more precise dating.

The symbols include deeply carved hashtag-like cross-hatchings and other geometric shapes. Similar symbols found in other caves were carved by early Homo sapiens 80,000 years ago and Neanderthals 60,000 years ago and were thought to have been used as a way to record and share information.




Descriptions of the caves:

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The cave system includes deadly steep drops and tiny passageways like Superman’s Crawl, a tunnel measuring 131 feet (40 meters) long and 9.8 inches (25 centimeters) across, requiring the researchers to belly crawl their way through, said Dr. Keneiloe Molopyane.


Berger said he had to lose 55 pounds (25 kilograms) to enter the cave’s precarious chambers in 2022.

Posted by Fun Bunch
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Posted on 6/6/23 at 10:07 am to
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hashtag-like


fricking
Posted by bad93ex
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Posted on 6/6/23 at 10:08 am to
Not saying it was aliens…
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
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Posted on 6/6/23 at 10:10 am to
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hashtag-like


fricking




They were playing tic tac toe.
Posted by RockinDood
Member since Aug 2020
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Posted on 6/6/23 at 10:13 am to
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fricking


To be fair how many people do you know that understand what an octothorp is?
Posted by Nono
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Posted on 6/6/23 at 10:16 am to
naledi- let me take a look at you now. You're there on the dance floor making me want you somehow.

naledi

Posted by SixthAndBarone
Member since Jan 2019
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Posted on 6/6/23 at 10:18 am to
Our known world history taught by professors is incomplete. It’s very fascinating. Civilizations lived longer before we thought.

Why does every single ancient culture have a flood story?
Posted by LSUWoodworker
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Posted on 6/6/23 at 10:19 am to
Posted by Xignals
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Posted on 6/6/23 at 10:19 am to
Ah-ha! Someone else has been watching the Why Files!
Posted by RB10
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Posted on 6/6/23 at 10:20 am to


Fake news. Saw this baw walking around wal mart the other day.
Posted by Saintsisit
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Posted on 6/6/23 at 10:21 am to
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The cave system includes deadly steep drops and tiny passageways like Superman’s Crawl, a tunnel measuring 131 feet (40 meters) long and 9.8 inches (25 centimeters) across, requiring the researchers to belly crawl their way through,


F uck that
Posted by LSUWoodworker
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Posted on 6/6/23 at 10:23 am to
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the research team has discovered the remains of Homo naledi adults and children that were laid to rest in the fetal position within cave depressions and covered with soil. The burials are older than any known Homo sapiens burials by at least 100,000 years.


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The cave system includes deadly steep drops and tiny passageways like Superman’s Crawl, a tunnel measuring 131 feet (40 meters) long and 9.8 inches (25 centimeters) across, requiring the researchers to belly crawl their way through,




Why do we assume they we buried, maybe the frickers were trapped and died there?


ETA

Artists interpretation of event.





This post was edited on 6/6/23 at 10:26 am
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 6/6/23 at 10:24 am to
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Homo naledi


Obviously the improper use of pronouns and the burning of fossil fuels led to their extinction.
Posted by Weekend Warrior79
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 6/6/23 at 10:26 am to
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Why do we assume they we buried, maybe the frickers were trapped and died there?

Had a similar thought when they talked about everyone in a fetal position.

The "hashtag-like cross-hatchings and other geometric shapes" could have been a body count for those trapped.
Posted by Tomherman
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Posted on 6/6/23 at 10:27 am to
That dude was making be some fried rice the other day.
Posted by nes2010
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Posted on 6/6/23 at 10:30 am to
Quotes from the other side.

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The research purports to have evidence Homo naledi undertook deliberate burial of their dead – a major claim. So far, the earliest secure evidence for burial in Africa comes from the Panga ya Saidi cave site in eastern Kenya, excavated by our team and dated to 78,000 years ago. This burial of a Homo sapiens child meets rigorous criteria agreed upon by the scientific community for identifying intentional human burial. The aim of the criteria is to help differentiate burial from other practices and phenomena that could lead to the depositing of human remains. These include, for example, the natural accumulation of skeletal parts in a predator’s cavern, or the kind of carrying and protecting of dead bodies observed among cognitively advanced non-human species such as gorillas and chimpanzees.


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The site’s researchers claim to have evidence for three intentional burials. However, not one of the burials provides compelling evidence of a deliberately excavated pit. Indeed, the shallow cavities may not be dug pits at all, but natural depressions where the bodies accumulated and were later disturbed by trampling, or partial cave collapse. The alleged burials also fail to meet another fundamental criteria for deliberate burials: anatomical alignment of the body and articulation of skeletal remains. In a deliberate burial, the body is generally intact and any minimal displacement can be explained by decomposition. That’s because burial involves immediately covering the body with soil, which protects the anatomical integrity of the skeleton. Rising Star Cave so far hasn’t produced evidence for anything other than the general spatial association of some skeletal elements. At most, it provides evidence for the in-situ decomposition of particular body parts, such as an ankle, and partial hand and foot articulations. Moreover, confirming intentional burial in the past has required the presentation of human remains in an arrangement that can’t have been achieved by chance. However, the scattered distribution of the remains at Rising Star prevents reconstruction of their original positions. Other claimed evidence for funerary behaviour is equally uncompelling. A stone artefact supposedly included in the burial as a “grave good” is said to have scratches and edge serrations from use. But this so-called artefact’s shape suggests it may be natural. It’s still encased in sediment and has only been studied through synchrotron X-ray.


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An equally splashy claim made in one of the publications is that Homo naledi left rock art on the walls of Rising Star Cave.The problem with the rock art at Rising Star Cave is that it’s undated. To imply any link with Homo naledi requires firm dates. This could be achieved through using dating techniques on associated residues or natural deposits covering the art, or by studying materials from excavated and dated archaeological layers that can be linked to the art (for instance, if they contain engraving tools or engraved rock fall fragments).

In the absence of dating, it’s simply spurious to claim the engravings were made by Homo naledi, rather than by another species (and potentially at a much later date).
Posted by jaytothen
Member since Jan 2020
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Posted on 6/6/23 at 10:32 am to
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Berger said he had to lose 55 pounds (25 kilograms) to enter the cave’s precarious chambers in 2022.


Mysterious species also wasn't a bunch of fatties with McD's and Taco Bell's.
Posted by Boudreaux35
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Posted on 6/6/23 at 10:37 am to
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The cave system includes deadly steep drops and tiny passageways like Superman’s Crawl, a tunnel measuring 131 feet (40 meters) long and 9.8 inches (25 centimeters) across,


No way. My head won't get through that!
Posted by Colonel Angus
Member since Aug 2007
2140 posts
Posted on 6/6/23 at 10:40 am to
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he cave system includes deadly steep drops and tiny passageways like Superman’s Crawl, a tunnel measuring 131 feet (40 meters) long and 9.8 inches (25 centimeters) across, requiring the researchers to belly crawl their way through,



Imagine the claustrophobia while doing that. And that probably takes a while to shimmy through
Posted by LSUWoodworker
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Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 6/6/23 at 10:42 am to
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Quotes from the other side.


Give both "sides" aka money grubbing researchers each some money, that is all it is about. Let them play in the dirt a few more years and make mudpies. fricking academics are second only to PI attorneys on the scale of useless shite.
This post was edited on 6/6/23 at 10:44 am
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