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re: Shams: Pels Don't Think Zion Even Close to Coming Back
Posted on 4/11/23 at 7:28 am to tehchampion140
Posted on 4/11/23 at 7:28 am to tehchampion140
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Uhhhhh, did you see the difference in how he looked coming into the season?
I saw an out of shape guy who looked like old fat man keeled over trying to catch his breath constantly. After about a month once the season started you saw him actually look like he was in shape, but to start the season he was not in game shape like everyone else was.
In game shape is different than being in shape. Go to the 8 minute mark of any game early on in the first quarter and watch free throws. You’ll see Zion hands on his knees barely able to breath taking huge breaths and everyone else is breathing normal. It’s why he’s a lazy defender most of the time.
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Posted on 4/11/23 at 7:51 am to shel311
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Yea, people keep pointing to the fat thing and it's never held up. Every time comes back, he plays well and looks fine. He was in good shape all season and didn't look fat.
That’s just not true.
He was fat when he came back his rookie year from the knee.
He was fat when he got back to the bubble.
This season he looked his best, I’ll give you that.
Posted on 4/11/23 at 7:59 am to ghost2most
Peak pro Zion was Rookie Preseason Zion
He was close ish to that this year, but not quite. He was 5-10 pounds heavier and he had gone through a meniscus injury and foot fracture, so naturally he wasn’t as explosive as he was 4 years ago during that preseason.
This 28 game iteration of 2022-2023 Zion still was a very good version of Zion though. A borderline MVP level version. Especially once he started to play defense.
He was close ish to that this year, but not quite. He was 5-10 pounds heavier and he had gone through a meniscus injury and foot fracture, so naturally he wasn’t as explosive as he was 4 years ago during that preseason.
This 28 game iteration of 2022-2023 Zion still was a very good version of Zion though. A borderline MVP level version. Especially once he started to play defense.
Posted on 4/11/23 at 8:39 am to sleepingbunch
Griffin is a low life POS that never should have even been interviewed let alone hired by the Pelicans.
Posted on 4/11/23 at 8:56 am to M3From225
Man its just basketball bruh it ain’t difficult he can get his fat arse out there and get buckets Z bo was fat.
That bitch just doesn’t wanna play
That bitch just doesn’t wanna play
Posted on 4/11/23 at 9:19 am to Marrero
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can get his fat arse out there and get buckets Z bo was fat.
That bitch just doesn’t wanna play
he's terrified of a repeat hammy injury.
he's more afraid of having a repeat hammy injury than how it effects team to miss him in playoffs play in.
of course its possible that the worst fan fears are true and he's never dressing in a pels uni again.
I expected him to play the last few games of regular season and make his mark in playoffs.
wrong. wrong. wrong.
This post was edited on 4/11/23 at 9:21 am
Posted on 4/11/23 at 9:46 am to CelticDog
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he's terrified of a repeat hammy injury.
he's more afraid of having a repeat hammy injury than how it effects team to miss him in playoffs play in.
He is not afraid of reinjuring himself.
He's afraid of not looking like Duke Zion Williamson. He comes back out of shape and fat and people make fun of him, and he and the idiots around him are very cautious about his brand. That's all he cares about. If he can't be highlight reel Zion, then he doesn't want to be out there.
and for that reason is why i'm done with him and would rather just trade him. He's worried about Zion first above all else. And i get that to a degree, but he's already set for life, as are his grandkids. He'll have made $400M before his new contract is up. Once you reach that level, it's time to start worrying about your place in nba history, and when i say that, i mean winning championships. Zion and/or his people around him are more worried about his brand and making money.
A real leader and competitor wouldn't watch his team in the playoffs from the bench b/c he's not in game shape. If you're capable of playing, then get your fat arse out there and play. You got 5 fricking months to recover from whatever happens in the next two games. Booker hobbled around on a pulled hamstring last year in the playoffs. Harden has done it as well. even AD's bitch arse tried playing with a groin injury in the playoffs 2 years ago.
Posted on 4/11/23 at 9:52 am to New City Champ
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Talked to my buddy who is close to some of the senior guys in the organization (not Griff). He basically said this has become a power play about getting Z to buy in to the program and grow up before his extension kicks in. Z flat out dislikes all the rules and metrics the training staff uses to determine if he can play, thinks they’re “stupid” and wants to play his way back, have fun, and help the team. Griff’s approach is very paternalistic to some even in the building who think he just doesn’t get or accept that it’s a players league and you risk alienating your franchise star by keeping him out until he hits the benchmarks you set. Said this dynamic between Z and Griff has been there from the start and almost caused a full rupture last year…second hand stuff but I trust the guy
Wow if true
Posted on 4/11/23 at 9:57 am to TeddyPadillac
I don't understand why this organization has these benchmarks they make him hit to play at the end of the season. Joel Embiid and Luka Doncic will both be first team All NBA guys this year and they both have looked overweight and out of shape at different points during the last two seasons. Embiid was very out of shape to start the season following the toe injury, to the point where he could barely run up and down the court at times. He played himself back into shape and will probably be the MVP. Luka looked like he was wearing a fat suit for a movie last year to start the season. He was still first team all NBA and led his team to the western finals. Why does Zion have a different set of rules? And if you are going to have this set of rules, then the training staff better do a MUCH better job of helping and making sure he hits these benchmarks.
Posted on 4/11/23 at 10:03 am to LSUpelsSaints
I'm giving him 1 more year. If he can't manage to play at least 55 games next year, we should just cut him lose. He is no longer worth the trouble
Posted on 4/11/23 at 10:07 am to New City Champ
If it's the team that's holding him back, mainly Griff, then that's a big issue.
Posted on 4/11/23 at 10:26 am to TeddyPadillac
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If it's the team that's holding him back, mainly Griff, then that's a big issue.
This has been my feeling from his rookie year. The way they handle his injuries and return to play just make no sense. Everything from the timelines, the comments, the changing of goal posts. It is now three different injuries that we have seen this. Some people are ready to move on from Zion. I am much more ready to move on from Griff and Nelson.
Posted on 4/11/23 at 10:26 am to TeddyPadillac
I believe this has always been an organizational issue. We’ve seen it before and all reports point the same direction now. I don’t care if the scale says 250, 275, or 300. If he can provide 15 minutes off the bench, he can materially change the Pelicans outcome. Yet we are once again choosing to sit a player, having him miss crucial games because of some fictitious fear of…..missing games. It’s asinine, it’s incompetent and I fully believe we have largely been misplacing our frustration by pointing it at Zion.
But hey, thank god we didn’t push AD too hard so he could win a championship for someone else. Great team strategy.
But hey, thank god we didn’t push AD too hard so he could win a championship for someone else. Great team strategy.
Posted on 4/11/23 at 10:33 am to TeddyPadillac
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If it's the team that's holding him back, mainly Griff, then that's a big issue.
Agreed, griff seems like a control freak. If the hamstring is healthy and he wants to play then you have to let him play. The alternative is holding him out and causing friction between the him and the org. There just doesn't seem like much upside to holding him out
Posted on 4/11/23 at 10:38 am to PELsu
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I believe this has always been an organizational issue. We’ve seen it before and all reports point the same direction now. I don’t care if the scale says 250, 275, or 300. If he can provide 15 minutes off the bench, he can materially change the Pelicans outcome. Yet we are once again choosing to sit a player, having him miss crucial games because of some fictitious fear of…..missing games. It’s asinine, it’s incompetent and I fully believe we have largely been misplacing our frustration by pointing it at Zion.
But hey, thank god we didn’t push AD too hard so he could win a championship for someone else. Great team strategy.
Couldn't agree more. 4 years of being cautious and nothing has changed. At some point you have to change your game plan and say frick it play the guy. Who knows, maybe he gets a taste of playoff basketball and changes his whole attitude to get back to the playoffs and win something
Posted on 4/11/23 at 10:43 am to TeddyPadillac
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He's afraid of not looking like Duke Zion Williamson. He comes back out of shape and fat and people make fun of him, and he and the idiots around him are very cautious about his brand. That's all he cares about. If he can't be highlight reel Zion, then he doesn't want to be out there.
I think that you are right, and this is making it extra hard to be a fan of his. This is 2 seasons in a row. Your team is playing in the playoffs. Even if you aren't 100%. Even if you aren't capable of playing at your MVP level. Even if you can't play 40 minutes a game. How can't you go out there and help your team by playing atleast 15 minutes a game.
I truly don't understand.
Posted on 4/11/23 at 10:45 am to PELsu
but if it is the team that's holding him back, then why doesn't he stand up for himself and say that?
He refuses to talk to anyone when he's injured, so it's his own fault that everyone goes about making assumptions about whats going on. this has happened every single year he's gotten hurt.
He could very easily come out today and say "i want to play. I feel like i can play and contribute to this team right now, and i should be out there with my brothers. The team doesn't think i'm ready to play, but i feel i am and i'm trying to do whatever it takes to prove that to them".
if this is a players driven league, then fricking drive it Zion, and stop sitting back and letting that weasel frick Griff stop you.
He refuses to talk to anyone when he's injured, so it's his own fault that everyone goes about making assumptions about whats going on. this has happened every single year he's gotten hurt.
He could very easily come out today and say "i want to play. I feel like i can play and contribute to this team right now, and i should be out there with my brothers. The team doesn't think i'm ready to play, but i feel i am and i'm trying to do whatever it takes to prove that to them".
if this is a players driven league, then fricking drive it Zion, and stop sitting back and letting that weasel frick Griff stop you.
Posted on 4/11/23 at 10:55 am to JohnnyKilroy
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Wow if true
This is what I worry about. This kind of battle of wills is a lot more likely to blow up in Griff's and our faces than it is to work.
And not just with Zion. If I was one of the other players and knew the team was essentially holding Zion out on a technicality when they needed him, I'd be pissed.
Posted on 4/11/23 at 11:02 am to TigerinATL
Yea if it’s true you need to fire griffin asap. There’s not really a realistic way this gets any better if that’s the case.
Posted on 4/11/23 at 11:08 am to JohnnyKilroy
It’s just the wide schism in reports. He’s close. He’s not close.
Zion and Griff have a problem with getting Zion in front of the media.
Zion and Griff have a problem with getting Zion in front of the media.
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