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UMC Church Division Question
Posted on 3/29/23 at 5:50 am
Posted on 3/29/23 at 5:50 am
Can someone explain what is going on? I see people in an outrage over the Methodist church but it’s not easy to figure out why. Seems to me that the church has so far decided to affirm its stance on not recognizing same sex marriage? But people are worried that they will change that stance in a few years? Churches can leave but they have to purchase their real estate from the UMC? Does this apply to traditionalist and progressives?
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Posted on 3/29/23 at 5:59 am to tilco
Here is a link to a piece in the Washington Examiner that explains it pretty well.
To sum it up, Progressives have taken over the church and are basically holding traditionalists hostage.
To sum it up, Progressives have taken over the church and are basically holding traditionalists hostage.
Posted on 3/29/23 at 6:16 am to tilco
It sure is tough to keep a house standing when it is built on sand.
Posted on 3/29/23 at 6:19 am to Mo Jeaux
Most of the churches around here have disaffiliated. Several more are in process or considering it. I know a nearby county saw all in the county go.
Go woke, go broke definitely applies to the UMC in this instance.
Go woke, go broke definitely applies to the UMC in this instance.
Posted on 3/29/23 at 6:20 am to Mo Jeaux
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Progressives have taken over the church and are basically holding traditionalists hostage.
Similar has been happening in the Southern Baptist Convention for many years. The individual churches are traditional, but convention attendees are more liberal. There’s been an effort to turn that around but I don’t know how successful.
Posted on 3/29/23 at 6:22 am to tilco
The gays have infiltrated most mainline Protestant churches and usurped hundreds of millions of dollars of the real estate value therein.
Posted on 3/29/23 at 6:23 am to tilco
The UMC has voted to not perform same sex marriage or ordain homosexuals. Some churches were doing it anyway so the denomination decided to split. Churches who leave can be independent or join the Global Methodist or Free Methodist.
Posted on 3/29/23 at 6:28 am to CleverUserName
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We, the Church Council of Providence United Methodist Church of the Baypines District, Alabama-West Florida Conference, do hereby affirm our current membership in the United Methodist Church. In doing so, we embrace the current Book of Discipline and the stand it sets forth on human sexuality. Furthermore, we commend the Bishop of the Alabama-West Florida Conference and his cabinet who have complied with that stand in their work as leaders of the conference. Furthermore, we celebrate the richness of the Wesleyan doctrine embodied in the beliefs and ministries of the United Methodist Church: – The providence of an almighty, omnipresent, omnipotent, omniscient God, who is perfect in His love; – The centrality of Jesus Christ in all that we do and believe in that He alone, through His birth, death, and resurrection offers universal salvation to a desperate and sinful world; – The presence and guidance of the Holy Spirit; – The centrality of grace, the gift of God through Jesus, available to all; – An appreciation of the diversity of humanity separated by different backgrounds but united by a common belief in the saving grace and guidance of the Trinity and celebrated in our connectional nature; – A ministry that declares “The world is our parish” through its commitment to make disciples of Jesus Christ for the transformation of the world and embodied in a spirit of missions.
This is the statement put forth by the church we’ve been going to. We aren’t members yet but we’re strongly considering it. We’ve never even noticed a hint of political correctness or social agendas being pushed here and it’s a good place for kids so I’m hoping we can stay. It seems this church is on the right path. I know I should probably speak to the pastor.
This is all super frustrating considering I grew up episcopal and left that church over liberal bullshite.
This post was edited on 3/29/23 at 6:31 am
Posted on 3/29/23 at 6:38 am to tilco
My understanding is that the global convention is going to meet in a year or so. It hasn't met as usual do to COVID
It is expected they will vote to allow same sex marriage and ordained preachers who are homosexual
They are essentially changing the scripture
Progressive are running the UMC. Conservative folks opposing the change are disaffiliating to break off because they don't agree with the coming changes
It is expected they will vote to allow same sex marriage and ordained preachers who are homosexual
They are essentially changing the scripture
Progressive are running the UMC. Conservative folks opposing the change are disaffiliating to break off because they don't agree with the coming changes
Posted on 3/29/23 at 6:39 am to tilco
If you don’t fight liberals from the get go, this is what you get in just about anything involving them. As regards this country and traditional institutions, they want to “fundamentally” change them. What they are doing in this countries churches is but once piece of that strategy (1) religion (2) government (3) education and on and on.
Posted on 3/29/23 at 6:43 am to LRB1967
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The UMC has voted to not perform same sex marriage or ordain homosexuals. Some churches were doing it anyway so the denomination decided to split. Churches who leave can be independent or join the Global Methodist or Free Methodist.
No. Read the link that I posted.
Posted on 3/29/23 at 6:57 am to tilco
Short answer: traditionalists in the denomination have been depending on representatives from the global south to check the influence of progressives at the General Conference. Progressives have found a way to get around that by limiting attendees from places like Subsaharan Africa. So the writing is on the wall.
The UMC is actually a good case study of how leftists are operating in America: destroying institutions from the inside out.
The UMC is actually a good case study of how leftists are operating in America: destroying institutions from the inside out.
Posted on 3/29/23 at 6:58 am to HailToTheChiz
Didn't they already meet and vote globally to keep marriage traditionally? This happened before covid. Why have another vote when they already voted?
Posted on 3/29/23 at 7:28 am to tilco
Original Vote
Go to one of the largest Methodist churches in the south. Essentially, it's the "fundamental differences" regarding beliefs on same-sex marriage and LGBTQ clergy.
"Traditionalist" denominations can vote to separate from the United Methodist Church. The new traditionalist denomination, once separate, would open the door for the existing United Methodist Church to repeal the church's ban on same-sex marriages and LGBTQ clergy.
Local churches would be able to choose whether they want to stay in the United Methodist Church or join a new denomination. Those decisions must be made by the end of 2024.
The vote and measures introduced at that conference signaled a growing divide between Methodists in the United States and those in less-developed, more socially conservative countries, particularly in Africa and Asia. In the U.S., 60% of United Methodist members say homosexuality should be accepted, according to a 2014 survey by the Pew Research Center.
Go to one of the largest Methodist churches in the south. Essentially, it's the "fundamental differences" regarding beliefs on same-sex marriage and LGBTQ clergy.
"Traditionalist" denominations can vote to separate from the United Methodist Church. The new traditionalist denomination, once separate, would open the door for the existing United Methodist Church to repeal the church's ban on same-sex marriages and LGBTQ clergy.
Local churches would be able to choose whether they want to stay in the United Methodist Church or join a new denomination. Those decisions must be made by the end of 2024.
The vote and measures introduced at that conference signaled a growing divide between Methodists in the United States and those in less-developed, more socially conservative countries, particularly in Africa and Asia. In the U.S., 60% of United Methodist members say homosexuality should be accepted, according to a 2014 survey by the Pew Research Center.
Posted on 3/29/23 at 7:31 am to bleedpg
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Didn't they already meet and vote globally to keep marriage traditionally? This happened before covid. Why have another vote when they already voted?
This is true. They actually passed language in the Book of Discipline that was quite clear on the subject. The problem is that it is up to regional bishops to enforce it, and most of them won’t. That means that various local church pastors are still marrying homosexuals, and an increasing number of pastors are even practicing homosexuals themselves.
This is a situation where the polity of the church is a major liability. Local churches are acting all autonomous and trying to vote to disaffiliate, but the regional conference holds all the cards. Some bishops have been generous in this divorce, but those wanting to make it difficult for churches to leave have a great deal of leverage.
Posted on 3/29/23 at 7:32 am to Nole Man
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Essentially, it's the "fundamental differences" regarding beliefs on same-sex marriage and LGBTQ clergy.
Essentially truth vs postmodernism. fify
Posted on 3/29/23 at 7:41 am to tilco
We just disafilliated last month. If you do it this year, you can keep all your stuff by if you do it in 2024 there are other rules. I think it is based on what state you are in (not sure though). We are in Texas and someone said at least here in tx we can keep our stuff. Not sure of the accuracy of that. However we got to keep everything and don't have to pay the big church 20k each year.
Posted on 3/29/23 at 7:44 am to Sek
That's good. Was there any "fine" that your church had to pay?
It's ridiculous that orthodox believers have to "leave" the church, when it's the heretics who should be kicked out.
It's ridiculous that orthodox believers have to "leave" the church, when it's the heretics who should be kicked out.
Posted on 3/29/23 at 8:14 am to tilco
As much as disunity is not ideal, this is a good use case to show why denominationalism is a good thing in a sinful world. When the church becomes corrupt and separates itself from the truth of God’s word, it is necessary for faithful Christians to separate themselves from it and to join together apart from that false church.
Posted on 3/29/23 at 8:28 am to tilco
Part of the problem is that at least one conference (North Georgia) put a halt on disaffiliations until the next conference. That has angered a lot of churches.
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