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re: Scott Woodward’s HC hires
Posted on 3/27/23 at 3:00 pm to kareem
Posted on 3/27/23 at 3:00 pm to kareem
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Scott Woodward’s HC hires
While there is plenty of optimism for at least 3 of these 4 hires (sorry McMahon), Mulkey is the only one who has accomplished something of note thus far.
What Kelly and Johnson accomplished in their first seasons was a nice start, but Mulkey has her team in the Final Four.
The future does look bright for football and baseball, but that's the thing, it's the future - the true success hasn't happened yet. So there's no credit to be given to Kelly, Johnson or Woodward just yet.
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Posted on 3/27/23 at 3:04 pm to MardiGrasMambo
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So there's no credit to be given to Kelly, Johnson or Woodward just yet.
Considering what BK took over and how last years season went, I’d say there’s plenty of credit to be given. No one here thought we’d get a 10 win season, and if you did you were lying to yourself.
JJ has the number 1 team in the country and just beat the #5 ranked team in the country. Not amazing but certainly nothing to turn your nose up. Good god can you people ever just give credit where credit is due?
Posted on 3/27/23 at 3:07 pm to J2thaROC
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Basketball is an irrelevant sport when it comes to the hiring and firing of an AD at LSU.
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LSU earned $199 million in operating revenues during the 2022 fiscal year, $77.4 million more than last year's total, according to the school's annual audit reports in 2021 and 2022.
One of the most dramatic changes came through ticket sales. LSU only earned $5.7 million in football ticket sales in the 2021 fiscal year, but in 2022 came away with $38.4 million, according to the documents. The university also made financial gains with ticket sales in men's and women's basketball and "other sports."
Football and Basketball are the only two sports that actually make money. So much so that all other sports were lumped together under "Other sports."
If we aren't firing an AD for not caring about the 2nd most important source of athletics income, then we are really stupid.
Duke Basketball netted $22.5M in profit last year
LSU Basketball netted $1.67M this past season and it was the most we've profited from since $1.61M in 2017
LSU Baseball profited $84,595 last year, total revenue of just over $6M; played for a loss the two previous seasons.
None of this is to say we need to fire Scott Woodward, he's done too well in other areas and one basketball season isn't enough time to judge a coach, regardless of how recruiting is going. Even if next year we're just as bad, Woodward's seat won't be hot; McMahon will undoubtedly get fired though
ETA: Football is king, but if football gets at all shaky and the basketball team is putrid, calls for Woodward's head will start coming. Basketball alone won't get you fired at LSU, but not caring and thinking the sport is irrelevant can easily contribute to one of our AD's downfall
This post was edited on 3/27/23 at 3:11 pm
Posted on 3/27/23 at 3:11 pm to kareem
Didn’t read all of it. Woodward was not forced to fire Wade that is a BS narrative that he wants out there. Especially after McMahon was absolute flop this year.
His other hires have been pretty good.
His other hires have been pretty good.
Posted on 3/27/23 at 3:34 pm to SCLSUMuddogs
quote:This is a reality check IMO for all.
Football and Basketball are the only two sports that actually make money. So much so that all other sports were lumped together under "Other sports."
If we aren't firing an AD for not caring about the 2nd most important source of athletics income, then we are really stupid.
Duke Basketball netted $22.5M in profit last year
LSU Basketball netted $1.67M this past season and it was the most we've profited from since $1.61M in 2017
LSU Baseball profited $84,595 last year, total revenue of just over $6M; played for a loss the two previous seasons.
None of this is to say we need to fire Scott Woodward, he's done too well in other areas and one basketball season isn't enough time to judge a coach, regardless of how recruiting is going. Even if next year we're just as bad, Woodward's seat won't be hot; McMahon will undoubtedly get fired though
ETA: Football is king, but if football gets at all shaky and the basketball team is putrid, calls for Woodward's head will start coming. Basketball alone won't get you fired at LSU, but not caring and thinking the sport is irrelevant can easily contribute to one of our AD's downfall
I don't advocate for Woody firing in any possible way. I Stan for LSU Basketball, everyone knows this.
There are so many conflated arguments, that it's difficult to catch up with those guys. But, I'll take my licks. At least mmcgrath seems to give a frick about LSU Basketball.
We got a dude this morning saying give Mike a chance. Who the frick is Mike?
Posted on 3/27/23 at 3:48 pm to SCLSUMuddogs
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If we aren't firing an AD for not caring about the 2nd most important source of athletics income, then we are really stupid.
First of all the idea that he “doesn’t care about basketball” is beyond stupid. It’s a narrative put out there by Wade-Stan’s pounding their spoon on their highchair because their savior was fired.
The fact that the basketball coach he hired did very poor in year one is not “evidence” the AD doesn’t care nor is the fact that he wasn’t a “splash” hire. There were extenuating circumstances whether you guys admit it or not, you can say the AD overreacted or caved but outside the LSU bubble world that’s not how it was viewed and was not going to be an attractive job.
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Duke Basketball netted $22.5M in profit last yea
Yes use the premiere brand In basketball as a comparison, especially one with limited possibilities in football which is far and away the top revenue producer in college sports. Wouldn’t be surprised if even at Duke FB still made more due to TV contracts if the ACC shares revenues like the SEC does.
Posted on 3/27/23 at 3:56 pm to H-Town Tiger
quote:I don't like your thought at all.
H-Town Tiger
I said this prior to being a "Wade-Stan" that NCAA Basketball is a money maker for LSU that is undervalued. Seriously, we - LSU - give two shits about Basketball. If hiring CJJ didn't do anything for you, then let's make this all right.
You say how we've given two fricks ... and I get to respond.
Posted on 3/27/23 at 4:21 pm to drizztiger
Woodward bots seem to have very specific marching orders this morning. What’s funny is I got an earful of the same stuff from a friend that is fairly plugged into to the athletic department over the weekend. Seems obvious that Scott feels like he has to do some damage control.
Posted on 3/27/23 at 4:24 pm to drizztiger
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I don't like your thought at all. I said this prior to being a "Wade-Stan" that NCAA Basketball is a money maker for LSU that is undervalued.
My thought is anyone that thinks the AD doesn’t care about basketball is wrong, and is blinded by their views on Wade. I agree the revenue potential is undervalued (despite that the LSU AD typically runs in the black) But I seriously doubt we could come close to number you quoted for Duke. A quick Google search I saw Kentucky made $29M from MMB vs$40M for FB overall though they were in the red.
I do think upgrades or a new arena and practice facilities for BB are over due. The success of LM and the WBB team may help
Posted on 3/27/23 at 4:50 pm to H-Town Tiger
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First of all the idea that he “doesn’t care about basketball” is beyond stupid. It’s a narrative put out there by Wade-Stan’s pounding their spoon on their highchair because their savior was fired.
That was in direct response to someone saying basketball is irrelevant to an AD hire at LSU. I said "If we aren't firing an AD for not caring about the 2nd most profitable sport, then we are very dumb" not "Our AD doesn't care about the 2nd most profitable sport." I'm saying basketball is relevant and does matter, that is all.
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Yes use the premiere brand In basketball as a comparison, especially one with limited possibilities in football which is far and away the top revenue producer in college sports. Wouldn’t be surprised if even at Duke FB still made more due to TV contracts if the ACC shares revenues like the SEC does
We are a premiere brand in football, so I used a similarly good basketball program for comparison. How is any of this controversial?
This post was edited on 3/27/23 at 4:58 pm
Posted on 3/27/23 at 5:01 pm to SCLSUMuddogs
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That was in direct response to someone saying basketball is irrelevant to an AD hire at LSU.
Then that poster is stupid.
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We are a premiere brand in football, so I used a similarly good basketball program for comparison. How is any of this controversial?
Are you suggesting we could make what Duke makes in MBB? I don’t understand the point of the comparison. I would agree we could do better revenue wise in MBB but I doubt we could come close to a program like Duke. FB is far and away the top revenue producing sport. That doesn’t mean MBB should be ignored and there’s no evidence the AD doesn’t care about regardless of what some idiot fans say.
This post was edited on 3/27/23 at 5:01 pm
Posted on 3/27/23 at 5:06 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Then that poster is stupid.
Agreed
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Are you suggesting we could make what Duke makes in MBB? I don’t understand the point of the comparison. I would agree we could do better revenue wise in MBB but I doubt we could come close to a program like Duke. FB is far and away the top revenue producing sport. That doesn’t mean MBB should be ignored and there’s no evidence the AD doesn’t care about regardless of what some idiot fans say.
I am using the top program as an example of how much money basketball can make a university. It was more about the gigantic gap between our net of $1.6M compared to the top program earning $20M+; than it was me saying "we can make duke money". We aren't going to be Duke overnight, but there is a lot of room to grow. If we did grow the program to even a fraction of what Duke earns, it would make Scott's job even more lock tight.
All of my post was simply to highlight that Basketball is the next best source of income and is very much relevant to the job of an AD
ETA: Poster said basketball was irrelevant to an AD hire, so I was showing him how relevant it can be with Duke's numbers
This post was edited on 3/27/23 at 5:14 pm
Posted on 3/27/23 at 6:44 pm to kareem
Oh LOOK another Catholic boy defending Woodward.
I agree about baseball and WBB and I am a big supporter of BK and really hope he wins (I’m not as optimistic with him as the other 2 bc of his offensive philosophy.
With McMahon, I posted into his other SWW Defense Fund thread:
Please stop posting this false narrative.
Why can “Mulkey bring in 9 new players and reach the Final 4” as well as other men’s coaches make strong runs, but McMahon barely won a conference game with 3 transfers that won 31 the previous season and a Top 20 draft class? Could it be possible he isn’t a good coach?
I agree about baseball and WBB and I am a big supporter of BK and really hope he wins (I’m not as optimistic with him as the other 2 bc of his offensive philosophy.
With McMahon, I posted into his other SWW Defense Fund thread:
Please stop posting this false narrative.
Why can “Mulkey bring in 9 new players and reach the Final 4” as well as other men’s coaches make strong runs, but McMahon barely won a conference game with 3 transfers that won 31 the previous season and a Top 20 draft class? Could it be possible he isn’t a good coach?
Posted on 3/27/23 at 6:53 pm to kareem
This is the kinda stuff that gets me about people calling for Woodward’s head. I wasn’t happy either with the handling of Wade, and was extremely disappointed in MM this season. But the jury is out, let’s see how year 2 looks.
The other hires though. Objectively, 2 have to be nothing short of A+ right now considering where the programs were the day they started. We’ll see how the baseball season plays out, but that is trending in the same direction as well. 3/4 slam dunk transformative hires is incredible in this day and age. Woodward has to be get earned praise for that if he also gets flak for the men’s bball situation.
The other hires though. Objectively, 2 have to be nothing short of A+ right now considering where the programs were the day they started. We’ll see how the baseball season plays out, but that is trending in the same direction as well. 3/4 slam dunk transformative hires is incredible in this day and age. Woodward has to be get earned praise for that if he also gets flak for the men’s bball situation.
Posted on 3/27/23 at 6:54 pm to kareem
Let me know when doesn’t just throw a huge amount of money at a coach who’s already proven. Any dipshit could’ve done what he did with 3 out of the 4. The one that sucks looks like he will miss and miss badly.
Posted on 3/27/23 at 7:40 pm to TrouserTrout
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Let me know when doesn’t just throw a huge amount of money at a coach who’s already proven
So doing exactly what every good AD does? Get proven coaches that bring success to your program?
Posted on 3/27/23 at 8:29 pm to kareem
So thankful Jimbo is not on that list
Posted on 3/27/23 at 8:29 pm to SCLSUMuddogs
So we actually profited more this past year than when Wade was the HC? Hmmm
Posted on 3/27/23 at 9:03 pm to Tiger1988
Don’t look now but Mcneese and you know who has the 8th ranked portal class in the country. Who have we signed btw?
Posted on 3/27/23 at 9:04 pm to kareem
quote:Stalin was not a nice guy.
McMahon hasn't exactly exceeded expectations yet, as LSU finished the season 14-19.
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