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re: Livingston Parish 1% tax for teacher raises fails to pass
Posted on 3/26/23 at 7:27 pm to IcantBelieveItsNotBu
Posted on 3/26/23 at 7:27 pm to IcantBelieveItsNotBu
You really need to get your facts straight. There are 4 grade level supervisors. 1-HS, 1 MS, 2-Elem. Curriculum coordinators there are 7. 1 HS, 2 MS, 4 elem. With the amount of curriculum changes, updating, testing, LP is understaffed. They definitely serve a purpose instructing teachers on best practices in teaching the curriculum as well as being a resource. Again you are completely off base as I would suspect.
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Posted on 3/26/23 at 7:29 pm to EST
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Livingston Parish schools have to many administrators at the central office. You could lay off half of them and not miss a beat.
Ignorant post. LP is greatly understaffed at the central office level.
Posted on 3/26/23 at 7:36 pm to EST
My mom is retired was a LP teacher for 35 years and my sister is a current teacher.
She voted no.
LP has a surplus with Bass Pro taxes on the way.
Handle your business. Stop getting robbed to the tune of 2 mil and people will respond
She voted no.
LP has a surplus with Bass Pro taxes on the way.
Handle your business. Stop getting robbed to the tune of 2 mil and people will respond
Posted on 3/26/23 at 7:48 pm to extremetigerfanatic
Your whole post is ignorant and incorrect. your mom and sister may be uninformed especially if they listen to your drivel. LP does not have a surplus that can be used for salaries other than what is required by law. Bass pro brings in about 3 million a year. To increase the salaries to the level they wanted it would take 20 million. LP is already 64/68 districts in funding and are usually in the top 10 districts in the state. How much longer do they have to do more with less?
This post was edited on 3/26/23 at 7:49 pm
Posted on 3/26/23 at 7:48 pm to dallastigers
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EBR spends more because it has a high percentage of Special Ed because most private schools don't take them and due to the high poverty which means more federal funds. These federal funds have rules on how they are spent.
Successfully educating must not be a rule…
99% of the kids who have profound disabilities (completely paralyzed, etc) who live in EBR attend EBR schools while 40% of school age children attend Privates or Charters who don't take these kids. One of these kids takes more than 100k to educate because they require a special bus, assistive technology, a dedicated aide that can change their diapers, adaptive PE, occupational therapist, and special facilities. The 100k is largely federally funded, but when per pupil funding is calculated, the total amount including Special Ed is divided by the total number of students.
Baton Rouge Magnet High has the lowest per pupil expenditure in EBR and is the highest rated public school in the Baton Rouge Metro area.
Qualified high school Math and Science teachers are hard to find at 8k less than surrounding districts. There are something like 8 openings for each student graduating in Math Education from LSU or SELU right now. Math education degrees require a full math degree, plus a minor in education and full year of unpaid student teaching.
This post was edited on 3/26/23 at 7:51 pm
Posted on 3/26/23 at 7:51 pm to chuckitdeep
You may want to check again, I'm pulling those numbers directly from what is listed on their own website.
Yes curriculum that is all scripted and even those underqualified could teach it. The guidebooks, math programs, IXL program, it's all totally scripted. Oh and SS is the only content changing next year, any other change is because the parish is looking for a cheaper alternative on what scripted program they want next. As they buy half the materials needed and ask the teachers to fill in what is missing.
Yes curriculum that is all scripted and even those underqualified could teach it. The guidebooks, math programs, IXL program, it's all totally scripted. Oh and SS is the only content changing next year, any other change is because the parish is looking for a cheaper alternative on what scripted program they want next. As they buy half the materials needed and ask the teachers to fill in what is missing.
This post was edited on 3/26/23 at 7:56 pm
Posted on 3/26/23 at 7:54 pm to Shaun176
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Math education degrees require a full math degree, plus a minor in education and full year of unpaid student teaching.
Yes, but you don’t need that to teach and receive full teacher pay and benefits. College degree-you can teach. May have to complete a praxis at some point over a couple year period but unfortunately student teaching is just about a thing of the past. There is a great deal of learning that happens during student teaching.
Baton Rouge High is an outlier as they get to turn people away. Most schools esp. in LP have to accept anyone who lives in their district.
Posted on 3/26/23 at 7:55 pm to toosleaux
The board created an educational facilities improvement district (separate taxing entity with its own board), and then appointed board members who came up with increasing sales tax to increase pay in district.
Some here are comparing it to EBR and Ascension passing their tax election, but I think those were renewals on top of being property taxes. It’s obvious those within BR love to pass property taxes they don’t pay or pay with help from others money, but at same time there is usually some protection from increases built in for elderly, disabled, and so on.
Sure the law ends up stating helping with other matters or needs, but this doesn’t seem to be set up to be dedicated to increasing district pay. It seems more like they used teacher pay to sell tax funding this entity which will end up doing more than board is willing to admit. In reality raises would be taken out of general fund while this entity sales bonds and creates debt and so on for various other projects.
https://legis.la.gov/Legis/Law.aspx?d=89997
https://www.wafb.com/2022/09/16/school-board-creates-district-consider-funding-higher-salaries/
Some here are comparing it to EBR and Ascension passing their tax election, but I think those were renewals on top of being property taxes. It’s obvious those within BR love to pass property taxes they don’t pay or pay with help from others money, but at same time there is usually some protection from increases built in for elderly, disabled, and so on.
Sure the law ends up stating helping with other matters or needs, but this doesn’t seem to be set up to be dedicated to increasing district pay. It seems more like they used teacher pay to sell tax funding this entity which will end up doing more than board is willing to admit. In reality raises would be taken out of general fund while this entity sales bonds and creates debt and so on for various other projects.
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Educational facilities improvement districts
A.(1)(a) The legislature finds and determines that a state of emergency exists in many of the public elementary and secondary schools of the respective parish and municipal school systems in the state with respect to the condition of school buildings and school-related facilities, that the technology capabilities in such public elementary and secondary schools are insufficient for the education of the children of this state, and that these and other conditions and factors are detrimental to the learning environment of the children of this state and, in certain instances, may be detrimental to their welfare and safety.
(a) To provide a source of revenue to enable the districts to engage in cooperative endeavors with parish and municipal school boards within their territorial boundaries for the purpose of assisting such parish and municipal school boards: in purchasing, constructing, or improving school buildings and other school-related facilities, including construction of necessary sidewalks and streets adjacent thereto; in acquiring necessary or desirable equipment and furnishings therefor, inclusive of technology and computer equipment and software; in repairing, maintaining, and rehabilitating existing school-related facilities, including the mitigation or prevention of hazardous conditions therein or demolition thereof; in acquiring or improving lands for building sites, playgrounds, and other school-related areas, title to which shall be vested in the public; and in maintaining such facilities.
(b) To provide funding for other matters for which school boards are authorized by law to expend funds.
(c) Generally to assist such school boards experiencing financial difficulties regarding capital facilities or other needs.
Such districts are created for the purposes of assisting the school boards of the respective school districts to:
(a)(i) Purchase, construct, or improve school buildings and other school-related facilities, including construction of necessary sidewalks and streets adjacent thereto.
(ii) Acquire necessary or desirable equipment and furnishings therefor, including but not limited to technology and computer equipment and software.
(iii) Repair, maintain, and rehabilitate existing school-related facilities, including the mitigation or prevention of hazardous conditions therein or demolition thereof.
(iv) Acquire or improve lands for building sites, playgrounds, and other school-related areas, title to which shall be vested in the public.
(v) Maintain such facilities.
(b) Provide funding for other matters for which school boards are authorized by law to expend funds.
(c) Generally assist such school boards experiencing financial difficulties regarding capital facilities or other needs…
… Any sales and use tax levied by an educational facilities improvement district shall be excluded from the calculation of total sales and use taxes levied within an area for the purposes of R.S. 47:338.54.
… F. The district may incur debt and fund sales tax revenues into bonds in the manner provided in R.S. 39:523. No proceeding, hearing, notice, or approval shall be required for the issuance of any bonds or any instrument as security therefor, except as provided by this Section or by the Constitution of Louisiana.
https://legis.la.gov/Legis/Law.aspx?d=89997
https://www.wafb.com/2022/09/16/school-board-creates-district-consider-funding-higher-salaries/
This post was edited on 3/26/23 at 8:11 pm
Posted on 3/26/23 at 7:58 pm to IcantBelieveItsNotBu
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Yes curriculum that is all scripted and even those underqualified could teach it. The guidebooks, math programs, IXL program, it's all totally scripted. Oh and SS is the only content changing next year, any other change is because the parish is looking for a cheaper alternative on what scripted program they want next. As they buy half the materials needed and ask the teachers to fill in what is missing.
What happens when kids asks an off script math question?
Posted on 3/26/23 at 8:04 pm to toosleaux
This is why AP is a better parish to live in than LP. We don’t like to tax. Sounds like LP does.
Posted on 3/26/23 at 8:04 pm to IcantBelieveItsNotBu
I may have left out Pre-k and special Ed. State requires certain curriculums. What other changes are there? I know they are constantly trying to fine tune the required curriculums but no huge changes I have heard. Some of the programs you listed aren’t bad at all. They just get thrown in the bad category by some because they don’t get to teach how they want and what content they want. Some of that is good and some is bad.
All that being said, none of that is the school boards fault. That is state requirements. As far as supervisors, you are way off. Compared to other districts LP is drastically understaffed.
All that being said, none of that is the school boards fault. That is state requirements. As far as supervisors, you are way off. Compared to other districts LP is drastically understaffed.
Posted on 3/26/23 at 8:05 pm to Shaun176
The teacher can Google it because usually they don't know either. An education degree is basically a general studies degree.
This post was edited on 3/26/23 at 8:10 pm
Posted on 3/26/23 at 8:06 pm to dallastigers
Did you read the proposal for the tax? It specifically states this tax was for salaries and that is all it could be used for.
Posted on 3/26/23 at 8:07 pm to sta4ever
quote:like fighting over who is the more polished log floating in the toilet
This is why AP is a better parish to live in than LP. We don’t like to tax. Sounds like LP does.
Posted on 3/26/23 at 8:07 pm to chuckitdeep
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There are 4 grade level supervisors. 1-HS, 1 MS, 2-Elem. Curriculum coordinators there are 7. 1 HS, 2 MS, 4 elem. With the amount of curriculum changes, updating, testing, LP is understaffed. They definitely serve a purpose instructing teachers on best practices in teaching the curriculum as well as being a resource.
Posted on 3/26/23 at 8:08 pm to Shaun176
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One of these kids takes more than 100k to educate because they require a special bus, assistive technology, a dedicated aide that can change their diapers, adaptive PE, occupational therapist, and special facilities
Way to go the outlier to prove a point for an entire disctrict.
I'm sure you're completely aware that is entirely in the best interests of every school district, in any state, to declare every kid they can special needs (obv not in the cases of wheelchair bound,etc., but ADD, ADHD, etc) because of the additional funding and aides that get paid for by the feds, right?
Ten percent of my fifth grader's class wear f*@ earmuffs, and they have an aide whose only job is to deal with kids that start screaming because someone opened a door or dropped a book.
Posted on 3/26/23 at 8:09 pm to chuckitdeep
Pre-K and Special Ed fall under different categories than regular education.
SS is completely changing as soon students will be learning about the Roman Empire and early civilizations in grades such as 4th rather than focusing on the American/Industrial Revolutions which will now be taught in 3rd.
The programs are not bad, however, all schools have curriculum facilitators, they have an ungodly amount of curriculum coordinators, yoy have mentor coaches, you have tap coaches, etc. They have a lot of useless positions in ALL school districts that could be reassigned to help with classroom shortages and teachers having 25-30 students in a room.
SS is completely changing as soon students will be learning about the Roman Empire and early civilizations in grades such as 4th rather than focusing on the American/Industrial Revolutions which will now be taught in 3rd.
The programs are not bad, however, all schools have curriculum facilitators, they have an ungodly amount of curriculum coordinators, yoy have mentor coaches, you have tap coaches, etc. They have a lot of useless positions in ALL school districts that could be reassigned to help with classroom shortages and teachers having 25-30 students in a room.
Posted on 3/26/23 at 8:16 pm to SuperSaint
Good one. Go back to jail. Sorry we didn’t all get to take time out of our lives to go sit in a 10x10 to see where went wrong and then pull out the “holier than thou” card.
Posted on 3/26/23 at 8:17 pm to Coastal Tiger
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Schools have 180 instruction days per school year.
That equates to six months
But they have to answer parents questions during their holiday breaks. If they answer one parent, then that's considered a work day.
Plus during the summer, they're spending more than 50% of their time getting their classrooms ready for the next year.
Posted on 3/26/23 at 8:22 pm to IcantBelieveItsNotBu
The schools do not have as many extra personnel as you insinuate. Most have an instructional coach. Not sure what a tap is. Mentor teachers are just teachers that help new teachers. The difference of coordinators 7 or 9 as you and the other poster say. That’s for 27000 kids and 46 schools. Geez man. How low staffing do you want?
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