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re: Progressives have a new minimum wage goal: $20 and up
Posted on 3/22/23 at 11:16 am to AwgustaDawg
Posted on 3/22/23 at 11:16 am to AwgustaDawg
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encouraging him to do what he is cut out for and that living on the dole and being a criminal.
I'd rather my money in taxes go to jailing the criminals rather than subsidizing wages. You know, free market and all.
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Posted on 3/22/23 at 11:16 am to Smeg
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I prefer they go to prison so their non-functional arse can be removed from society permanently.
Whose gonna pay for the prison LOL??? Remember when Richard Pryor told the story about the unemployment office and him throwing up??? I 'member....
Seriously...putting them in prison is a solution but it costs a helluva lot more than them making a living wage at Mickey D's....and it is entirely possible that the working bug might take hold and they have some pride in being self sufficient and become a tolerable citizen. That is not likely to happen in prison...but you do you boo, we already imprison a disproportionate number of folks in this country and for all outward appearances we are going downhill like a snowball headed for hell....
Posted on 3/22/23 at 11:17 am to AwgustaDawg
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idea...it should be a living wage, based on the geographic location AND the individual employee.
There should be no legislated wage, period.
Don't cry about free market capitalism in an over regulated economy.
Posted on 3/22/23 at 11:17 am to AwgustaDawg
Your argument is that wages need to be subsidized or they will become criminals.
Come on.
Come on.
Posted on 3/22/23 at 11:18 am to AwgustaDawg
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That is the flip side of why I say minimum wages are an idiotic idea...it should be a living wage, based on the geographic location AND the individual employee. If you can man your burger stand make a go of
I agree to do away with the minimum wage. It should be based on the value of the job. Living wage is liberal bullshite. If you can't make a living at McDonald's then maybe you better get some training for another job or get another part time job.
Posted on 3/22/23 at 11:19 am to SOSFAN
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So your solution to lazy, unreliable, bad attitude employees is to pay them more...
Not more...they are already making their nut one way or another. On the dole they cost us more and in prison or making their nut through crime they cost us more. They already are costing us what they cost PLUS the markup for the administrators of the dole or the prison or the folks trying to stop their criminal behavior....plus at least one in a million might change their behavior if they had some sense of pride about being self sufficient...the net expense would be far less than what we are currently doing. The problem is it would require management to manage in a way that wasn't based on reliance on the taxpayer....and we can't have that.
Posted on 3/22/23 at 11:21 am to Jbird
I hope they raise it to $50/hour...maybe that would keep some of those A-holes from moving South.
Posted on 3/22/23 at 11:22 am to AwgustaDawg
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The problem is it would require management to manage in a way that wasn't based on reliance on the taxpayer....and we can't have that.
Spoken like a sociology major.
Posted on 3/22/23 at 11:22 am to SOSFAN
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I agree to do away with the minimum wage. It should be based on the value of the job. Living wage is liberal bullshite. If you can't make a living at McDonald's then maybe you better get some training for another job or get another part time job.
I don't fully agree. Some people are just 75 iq dumb mother frickers, but they still have the mental capacity to work and contribute. Why shouldn't they be able to afford to live a decent life without slaving away 70 hours a week? Not everyone needs to get a higher paying job, not everyone should. You need a foundation for your unskilled laborers considering there are a lot of jobs we don't want to do.
Posted on 3/22/23 at 11:27 am to Jbird
It will never be enough. Does not really matter since it’s all Monopoly money at this point.
Posted on 3/22/23 at 11:28 am to Tiger Prawn
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Its just a never ending cycle then.
Raise minimum wage. Then the business has to offset their labor cost increase by raising prices and/or reduces labor expenses (layoffs and/or reduction in employees' hours scheduled).
So it doesn't still solve the problem of getting people off the government's dole because now everything costs more, so welfare programs have to adjust for cost of living increases....on top of workers who either got laid off or aren't taking home any extra pay due to a reduction in their hours by employers trying to offset labor cost increases from the higher hourly rate. Just reduced the buying power of everyone else who put in the work to get ahead and not be working for minimum wage all their life.
Life is, indeed, a never ending cycle. It ends for the individual but thus far the species has survived a minute. But I digress.
I ain't so sure the business has to raise its costs that much...because they too pay taxes to the government who in turns hands it back to their employees...all while trying to curry favor and picking and choosing winners and losers.
Just about all social welfare is based on earnings...very little money available for long if you ain't got a job of some sort. If wages go up outlays for social welfare go down. Even if politicians refuse to do this fewer people would jump through the hoops to qualify if their nut was being met through labor.
The consumers among us who have gotten ahead, by will or otherwise, are already footing the bill for the dead beats in one way or another. The dole, crime or a combination. Our costs aren't going to increase. The price of a Big Mac will, but our portion of the federal budget that goes to subsidize low wage employees will remain stagnant or go down...there is no conceivable way for it to increase dramatically.
Posted on 3/22/23 at 11:30 am to AwgustaDawg
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The consumers among us who have gotten ahead, by will or otherwise, are already footing the bill for the dead beats in one way or another.
Created a sub class of humans who can never escape.
It's fricking evil
Posted on 3/22/23 at 11:35 am to El Segundo Guy
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Your argument is that wages need to be subsidized or they will become criminals.
Come on.
It isn't really my stand or argument it is a basic tenet of free market economics coupled with a basic understanding of human nature and human history.
Wages are already subsidized. Very few people are actually footing the true cost of their existence. Even people making a pretty good living are enjoying the collective spending that provides transportation and sewage and security and only contributing a small % of that compared to their comsumption....almost no one earning whatever passes for a low wage is footing that bill alone. There is little that can be done about the former but at the very least we should call a spade a spade and let low wage employers know that we are onto them and their plan to subsidize their own living with our tax dollars. Instead we make them out to be rugged, self reliant indididuals set upon on all sides by evil meant to wipe them out. And then, in the penultimate irony, blame the low wage employee.
Posted on 3/22/23 at 11:36 am to AwgustaDawg
quote:The problem isn't the employer, its the existence of "the dole." The government is the one who puts the taxpayer on the hook.
WHy we do not insist on employers footing the true and full cost of their production is beyond me but I suspect it has something to do with employers having the time and money to see to it that the taxpayer takes up the slack so they can pocket more of the revenue.
Posted on 3/22/23 at 11:37 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Created a sub class of humans who can never escape.
It's fricking evil
Promoting the idea of taking responsibility for one's actions for EVERYONE is evil? DO tell, friend, do tell....
Posted on 3/22/23 at 11:38 am to AwgustaDawg
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And then, in the penultimate irony, blame the low wage employee
100%. Know why?
The employee is the only one of the equation with the power to lift his standard of living.
Waiting for government to raise your standard is fricking stupid.
Go better yourself .
This post was edited on 3/22/23 at 11:40 am
Posted on 3/22/23 at 11:39 am to AwgustaDawg
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Promoting the idea of taking responsibility for one's actions for EVERYONE is evil?
If you actually believed that, you wouldn't be crying in this thread about low wages.
Posted on 3/22/23 at 11:40 am to TrussvilleTide
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Working and living in NYC requires a different minimum wage that working and living in Alabama.
Minimum wage was never meant to be a "living" wage. It was designed for entry level jobs. Jobs intended to be stepping stones to better jobs. If all you are qualified to work are minimus wage jobs, then get two.
Posted on 3/22/23 at 11:42 am to AwgustaDawg
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That is the flip side of why I say minimum wages are an idiotic idea...it should be a living wage
Wrong. You don't have to pay a living wage. Besides high school kids, the burger stand can be manned by people who just want a second job/side hustle, people supported by someone else (a wife who's husband brings home the bacon), etc.
We do not need to force these companies to pay a wage that allows a person with zero skills to live completely independently.
Posted on 3/22/23 at 11:43 am to ljhog
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Minimum wage was never meant to be a "living" wage
It's a training wage for uneducated and unskilled.
They have all the power to better themselves.
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