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UBS agrees to buy Credit Suisse for more than $2bn
Posted on 3/19/23 at 1:35 pm
Posted on 3/19/23 at 1:35 pm
This is the real kicker...
https://www.ft.com/content/ec4be743-052a-4381-a923-c2fbd7ea9cfd
How many stock holders will bail from both banks on Monday? What about other banks?
quote:
Swiss authorities poised to change the country’s laws to bypass a shareholder vote as they rush to announce a deal before Monday.
https://www.ft.com/content/ec4be743-052a-4381-a923-c2fbd7ea9cfd
How many stock holders will bail from both banks on Monday? What about other banks?
Posted on 3/19/23 at 1:48 pm to GhostOfFreedom
Centralizing banking is step 1 to the "great reset". One rule over all.
Posted on 3/19/23 at 1:56 pm to GhostOfFreedom
That's weird. I'm seeing for $1bn. Seems like a bargain either way.
Here's where I saw it. This also isn't behind a paywall if anyone wants to read about it. OP's is behind a paywall for me, at least.
UBS plans to buy Credit Suisse for $1 billion
ETA -
Here's where I saw it. This also isn't behind a paywall if anyone wants to read about it. OP's is behind a paywall for me, at least.
UBS plans to buy Credit Suisse for $1 billion
ETA -
quote:
UBS (NYSE:UBS) has offered to buy Credit Suisse (NYSE:CS) for up to $1B in an all-share deal, with the Swiss government planning to change laws to bypass a shareholder vote on the deal, according to a Financial Times report today. The proposed deal is set to be signed as soon as Sunday evening at a fraction of Credit Suisse's closing price on Friday. This week alone, Credit Suisse's shares have dropped more than 24% amid a series of scandals that have led to a decline in investor and client confidence, forcing the company to obtain $54B in central bank funding. The proposed offer was made on Sunday morning at a price of 0.25 Swiss francs ($0.27) per share to be paid in UBS stock, as per the newspaper report, citing people familiar with the matter. Credit Suisse's shares closed at 1.86 Swiss francs on Friday. However, the acquisition talks are encountering significant obstacles, and 10,000 jobs may have to be cut if the two banks combine. According to a Reuters report earlier today, UBS is seeking $6B in government guarantees for the takeover, which would cover the cost of winding down parts of Credit Suisse and potential litigation charges.
This post was edited on 3/19/23 at 2:01 pm
Posted on 3/19/23 at 1:59 pm to saint tiger225
Initial offer was 1 Billion to take over all of Credit Suisse defaulting debt. defaulted credit Suisse said they wanted more than a billion to take over the bag, and apparently through arm twisting, UBS capitulated.
Good times.
BTW, I didn't get a fire wall when I checked the article. Maybe, because I am smart and use Brave Browser.
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edit:
Okay, I just clicked the link and this time got the pay wall. So, not blocked by brave. I am not sure why I got the whole article the first time without the firewall. I will see if I can find the article and paste it.
Good times.
BTW, I didn't get a fire wall when I checked the article. Maybe, because I am smart and use Brave Browser.
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edit:
Okay, I just clicked the link and this time got the pay wall. So, not blocked by brave. I am not sure why I got the whole article the first time without the firewall. I will see if I can find the article and paste it.
This post was edited on 3/19/23 at 2:02 pm
Posted on 3/19/23 at 2:02 pm to GhostOfFreedom
quote:Ah, that makes sense.
Initial offer was 1 Billion to take over all of Credit Suisse defaulting debt. defaulted credit Suisse said they wanted more than a billion to take over the bag, and apparently through arm twisting, UBS capitulated.
quote:That makes 2 of us.
Maybe, because I am smart and use Brave Browser.
I think I had to put my ads on to stream something the other day. Might be it. I'll check it out.
ETA - that wasn't it
This post was edited on 3/19/23 at 2:04 pm
Posted on 3/19/23 at 2:03 pm to saint tiger225
UBS has agreed to buy Credit Suisse after increasing its offer to more than $2bn, with Swiss authorities poised to change the country’s laws to bypass a shareholder vote on the transaction as they rush to finalise a deal before Monday.
The all-share deal between Switzerland’s two biggest banks is set to be signed as soon as Sunday evening and will be priced at a fraction of Credit Suisse’s closing price on Friday, all but wiping out the target’s shareholders, three people with direct knowledge of the situation said.
UBS will now pay more than SFr0.50 a share in its own stock, up from a bid of SFr0.25 earlier today, but far below Credit Suisse’s closing price of SFr1.86 on Friday, the people said.
The Swiss National Bank has agreed to offer a $100bn liquidity line to Credit Suisse as part of the deal, according to two people familiar with the matter.
UBS agreed to a softening of a material adverse change clause that would void the deal if its credit default spreads jump, they added.
The material adverse change clause applies for the period between the signing and closing of the deal, the people said. Regulators and banks are working towards announcing the deal on Sunday evening.
Some of the people criticised the plans to circumvent normal corporate governance rules by preventing a UBS shareholder vote.
There has been limited contact between the two lenders and the terms have been heavily influenced by the Swiss National Bank and regulator Finma, the people said. The US Federal Reserve has given its assent to the deal progressing, they added.
Vincent Kaufmann, chief executive of Ethos Foundation, which represents Swiss pension funds that own between 3 per cent and 5 per cent of Credit Suisse and UBS, told the Financial Times that the move to bypass a shareholder vote on the deal was poor corporate governance.
“I can’t believe our members and UBS shareholders will be happy about this,” he said. “I have never seen such measures taken; it shows how bad the situation is.”
Both sides have been locked in discussions with regulators since Wednesday, when Credit Suisse asked the SNB to provide it with an emergency SFr50bn ($54bn) credit line.
When this backstop failed to arrest a fall in its share price and stop panicked clients from withdrawing their money, the central bank stepped in to force a merger after becoming concerned about the viability of the country’s second-largest lender.
Deposit outflows from Credit Suisse topped SFr10bn a day late last week, the FT has reported. Customers withdrew SFr111bn from the group in the final three months of last year.
On Saturday night, the Swiss cabinet assembled in the finance ministry in Bern for a series of presentations from government officials, the SNB, Finma and representatives of the banking sector.
The government is preparing emergency measures to fast-track the takeover and plans to introduce legislation that will bypass the normal six-week consultation period required for UBS shareholders so the deal can be sealed immediately, the people said.
The framework of the deal has been designed by Swiss regulators to provide maximum stability to the country’s banking system, people briefed about the matter said. Swiss authorities have already secured preapproval from relevant regulators in the US and Europe, which are expected to issue co-ordinated statements today.
UBS will dramatically shrink Credit Suisse’s investment bank, so that the combined entity will make up no more than a third of the merged group, two of the people said.
Negotiators have given Credit Suisse the code name Cedar and UBS is referred to as Ulmus, according to people briefed on the matter.
As part of the deal, the FT earlier reported that UBS was seeking concessions and protections from the government, particularly from any pending legal cases and regulatory investigations into Credit Suisse that could result in fines or losses. However, it is unlikely it will get indemnity from any losses on assets, one of the people involved said.
UBS also wants to be allowed to phase in any extra demands it would face under global rules on capital that govern the world’s biggest banks.
The deal with UBS comes just months after the Saudi National Bank and the Qatar Investment Authority injected close to SFr3bn into Credit Suisse as part of a SFr4bn capital raise. They are the bank’s two largest shareholders and jointly own 17 per cent of the stock.
The SNB, UBS, Credit Suisse and Finma declined to comment.
The all-share deal between Switzerland’s two biggest banks is set to be signed as soon as Sunday evening and will be priced at a fraction of Credit Suisse’s closing price on Friday, all but wiping out the target’s shareholders, three people with direct knowledge of the situation said.
UBS will now pay more than SFr0.50 a share in its own stock, up from a bid of SFr0.25 earlier today, but far below Credit Suisse’s closing price of SFr1.86 on Friday, the people said.
The Swiss National Bank has agreed to offer a $100bn liquidity line to Credit Suisse as part of the deal, according to two people familiar with the matter.
UBS agreed to a softening of a material adverse change clause that would void the deal if its credit default spreads jump, they added.
The material adverse change clause applies for the period between the signing and closing of the deal, the people said. Regulators and banks are working towards announcing the deal on Sunday evening.
Some of the people criticised the plans to circumvent normal corporate governance rules by preventing a UBS shareholder vote.
There has been limited contact between the two lenders and the terms have been heavily influenced by the Swiss National Bank and regulator Finma, the people said. The US Federal Reserve has given its assent to the deal progressing, they added.
Vincent Kaufmann, chief executive of Ethos Foundation, which represents Swiss pension funds that own between 3 per cent and 5 per cent of Credit Suisse and UBS, told the Financial Times that the move to bypass a shareholder vote on the deal was poor corporate governance.
“I can’t believe our members and UBS shareholders will be happy about this,” he said. “I have never seen such measures taken; it shows how bad the situation is.”
Both sides have been locked in discussions with regulators since Wednesday, when Credit Suisse asked the SNB to provide it with an emergency SFr50bn ($54bn) credit line.
When this backstop failed to arrest a fall in its share price and stop panicked clients from withdrawing their money, the central bank stepped in to force a merger after becoming concerned about the viability of the country’s second-largest lender.
Deposit outflows from Credit Suisse topped SFr10bn a day late last week, the FT has reported. Customers withdrew SFr111bn from the group in the final three months of last year.
On Saturday night, the Swiss cabinet assembled in the finance ministry in Bern for a series of presentations from government officials, the SNB, Finma and representatives of the banking sector.
The government is preparing emergency measures to fast-track the takeover and plans to introduce legislation that will bypass the normal six-week consultation period required for UBS shareholders so the deal can be sealed immediately, the people said.
The framework of the deal has been designed by Swiss regulators to provide maximum stability to the country’s banking system, people briefed about the matter said. Swiss authorities have already secured preapproval from relevant regulators in the US and Europe, which are expected to issue co-ordinated statements today.
UBS will dramatically shrink Credit Suisse’s investment bank, so that the combined entity will make up no more than a third of the merged group, two of the people said.
Negotiators have given Credit Suisse the code name Cedar and UBS is referred to as Ulmus, according to people briefed on the matter.
As part of the deal, the FT earlier reported that UBS was seeking concessions and protections from the government, particularly from any pending legal cases and regulatory investigations into Credit Suisse that could result in fines or losses. However, it is unlikely it will get indemnity from any losses on assets, one of the people involved said.
UBS also wants to be allowed to phase in any extra demands it would face under global rules on capital that govern the world’s biggest banks.
The deal with UBS comes just months after the Saudi National Bank and the Qatar Investment Authority injected close to SFr3bn into Credit Suisse as part of a SFr4bn capital raise. They are the bank’s two largest shareholders and jointly own 17 per cent of the stock.
The SNB, UBS, Credit Suisse and Finma declined to comment.
Posted on 3/19/23 at 2:04 pm to GhostOfFreedom
Thanks!
Wasn't trying to be a dick, just trying to help out. Thanks for copy and pasting that. Going to read it now.
Wasn't trying to be a dick, just trying to help out. Thanks for copy and pasting that. Going to read it now.
Posted on 3/19/23 at 2:14 pm to GhostOfFreedom
I just read $17B in CS debt wiped out.
Posted on 3/19/23 at 2:21 pm to GhostOfFreedom
We are going to have a major broad market decline this week aren’t we?
Posted on 3/19/23 at 3:10 pm to GhostOfFreedom
quote:
How many stock holders will bail from both banks on Monday?
What about other banks?
I suspect this will be a big negative for bank stocks next week as shareholders continue to be left holding the bag, not that I disagree with lack of bailout to shareholders, but in this particular instance we’re seeing national law changed to force shareholders to eat a shite sandwich in a bank going under. Feels an extra step to what we saw last week.
Next week is likely a bad week for other European banks, Duetche Bank probably gets it the worst.
Domestically continued pressure on FRC could set the stage for our own furthering of the same sorts of worried in shareholders.
Becoming clear that you’re only going to have real security in a JPM, BAC, or Citi. I don’t trust wells because of their past and they are also majorly exposed to the west coast which is experiencing the brunt of real estate decline so far.
Posted on 3/19/23 at 3:23 pm to saint tiger225
quote:Got to love western democracies, am I right?
with the Swiss government planning to change laws to bypass a shareholder vote on the deal
What a joke.
Not to mention that this will likely have a negative effect on the whole situation.
This post was edited on 3/19/23 at 3:24 pm
Posted on 3/19/23 at 3:24 pm to GhostOfFreedom
WOW!
frick the shareholders.
frick the shareholders.
Posted on 3/19/23 at 3:32 pm to GhostOfFreedom
quote:
Swiss authorities poised to change the country’s laws to bypass a shareholder vote as they rush to announce a deal before Monday.
Bold strategy.
Posted on 3/19/23 at 3:54 pm to KillTheGophers
quote:
We are going to have a major broad market decline this week aren’t we?
Who knows? The markets haven't been following logical behavior in a while. It is going to eventually seriously readjust.
This post was edited on 3/19/23 at 5:15 pm
Posted on 3/19/23 at 4:32 pm to GhostOfFreedom
quote:
How many stock holders will bail from both banks on Monday
CS will get $.50/share. Nothing more. Nothing less. But yes. Banks are going to be shunned for a while.
Posted on 3/19/23 at 4:34 pm to Scruffy
quote:Meh. Everyone is always complaining about bailouts - this is aggressively the other way. And shareholders have likely gotten very comfy relying on de facto govt guarantees. These two banks seem always in difficulty.
Got to love western democracies, am I right?
What a joke.
Not to mention that this will likely have a negative effect on the whole situation.
Posted on 3/19/23 at 5:21 pm to Big Scrub TX
Futures unchanged to up, presently.
Posted on 3/19/23 at 6:49 pm to GhostOfFreedom
Pits are gonna print!
Posted on 3/19/23 at 7:20 pm to saint tiger225
I find it hysterical that the UBS offered $1B and that the Swiss government said “No … $2B.”
Either number is peanuts. It’s the equivalent of me offering you a $1 for a beat up car and you saying, ”no, I won’t take less than $2.”
ETA … now I’m reading the final number is $3. Same analogy applies.
Either number is peanuts. It’s the equivalent of me offering you a $1 for a beat up car and you saying, ”no, I won’t take less than $2.”
ETA … now I’m reading the final number is $3. Same analogy applies.
This post was edited on 3/19/23 at 8:40 pm
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