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Nobody blaming Grif. for this? Why?
Posted on 3/4/23 at 3:37 pm
Posted on 3/4/23 at 3:37 pm
Everybody blaming Willie and nobody blaming Grif? Why? Was Grif active during the trade deadline other than getting us an expired contract? Yeah this is all on Grif. from his training staff to not making the necessary changes when things went downhill. Willie not the problem. He is just working with what Grif. Gives him. You can tell Willie is frustrated but what can he done when his GM was sitting on his hands at the trade deadline. Frick the Suns made getting Durant look easy.
It was not Stan’s fault. It is not Wille’s fault either. You got to start from the top.
It was not Stan’s fault. It is not Wille’s fault either. You got to start from the top.
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Posted on 3/4/23 at 3:43 pm to LivingstonLaw
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Willie not the problem
Do you really believe that? You made good points but to insinuate that Willie is blameless in this is asinine.
Posted on 3/4/23 at 3:53 pm to LivingstonLaw
Most were not happy at the lack of activity at the deadline. But there were limited sellers. If the team goes another offseason without addressing the center spot this board will melt.
I also think the team needs to bring in a high level assistant for Willie. Everyone wanting to fire everybody, that’s just shuffling deck chairs on the Titanic. We aren’t getting higher quality candidates than we already have. You have to take these flawed coaches and GMs and supplement them with the right support staff.
I also think the team needs to bring in a high level assistant for Willie. Everyone wanting to fire everybody, that’s just shuffling deck chairs on the Titanic. We aren’t getting higher quality candidates than we already have. You have to take these flawed coaches and GMs and supplement them with the right support staff.
Posted on 3/4/23 at 4:04 pm to LivingstonLaw
I blame Griff. I think he’s largely done a terrible job. Four years into the rebuild and the team he’s built to support Zion just isn’t very good.
The first offseason was a disaster trading away the 4th pick, bringing in favors and Reddick
The second offseason was a disaster hiring SVG, wasting assets on Adams, bring in Eric Bledsoe and a jrue holiday trade that netted nothing to help this era.
The third offseason produced a terrific draft class, although it still remains to be see if any of Herb, Trey or Jose are real difference makers. And the trade for CJ and extension is still a long term question mark. Devonte Graham and JV were the big player acquisitions and he thankfully whiffed on veteran PGs
This past offseason and trade deadline did nothing.
We’ve wasted a ton of draft capital bringing in and shipping out vets that are the definition of replacement level guys.
The first offseason was a disaster trading away the 4th pick, bringing in favors and Reddick
The second offseason was a disaster hiring SVG, wasting assets on Adams, bring in Eric Bledsoe and a jrue holiday trade that netted nothing to help this era.
The third offseason produced a terrific draft class, although it still remains to be see if any of Herb, Trey or Jose are real difference makers. And the trade for CJ and extension is still a long term question mark. Devonte Graham and JV were the big player acquisitions and he thankfully whiffed on veteran PGs
This past offseason and trade deadline did nothing.
We’ve wasted a ton of draft capital bringing in and shipping out vets that are the definition of replacement level guys.
Posted on 3/4/23 at 4:05 pm to LivingstonLaw
It’s never just one persons fault
Posted on 3/4/23 at 4:16 pm to LivingstonLaw
Burn the whole thing down
Posted on 3/4/23 at 4:20 pm to LivingstonLaw
Stan was pretty bad, and firing him was the right move. Willie will and should get another year with this roster.
Posted on 3/4/23 at 4:46 pm to LivingstonLaw
Grif constructed a flawed roster with a lot of the same players playing in the same space. Willie continues to play bad rotations. Both are to blame.
Posted on 3/4/23 at 5:34 pm to BigPerm30
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Grif constructed a flawed roster with a lot of the same players playing in the same space. Willie continues to play bad rotations. Both are to blame.
This is 100% right. Griffen’s roster is not good enough but Willies rotations and game plan are making it worse. The reality is that the org has done a C job with the rebuild. But they have so many assets they can afford to be average and still have a good team. As long as BI and Zion buy in and stay healthy we can do it. Might take longer than it should though.
Posted on 3/4/23 at 5:36 pm to LivingstonLaw
quote:What?
Was Grif active during the trade deadline other than getting us an expired contract? Yeah this is all on Grif
You got this backwards. What we're seeing from this team and this 8-22 or whatever it is downfall without Zion is proof that Griff did the right thing by not making any moves.
Posted on 3/4/23 at 5:41 pm to LivingstonLaw
Griff #1 on the list of who to blame. Even with a healthy Zion, this team as currently constructed doesn't have enough offense to win four 7-game series.
Griff inherited a team that had the top overall pick and was going to get a king's ransom for AD and 4 and half years later, all we have to show for it is one playoff appearance that wouldn't have happened if not for a new rule in the league that year.
Griff has whiffed so hard on building this roster.
Griff inherited a team that had the top overall pick and was going to get a king's ransom for AD and 4 and half years later, all we have to show for it is one playoff appearance that wouldn't have happened if not for a new rule in the league that year.
Griff has whiffed so hard on building this roster.
Posted on 3/4/23 at 5:53 pm to Broski
quote:Maybe not but who is the last front office executive to win four 7 game series when their best player is 22 years old?
Griff #1 on the list of who to blame. Even with a healthy Zion, this team as currently constructed doesn't have enough offense to win four 7-game series.
That's not even factoring in that best player missing so much time, the point stands even if Zion had never missed a game.
Posted on 3/4/23 at 5:59 pm to shel311
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That's not even factoring in that best player missing so much time, the point stands even if Zion had never missed a game.
Which is why I qualified with "even with a healthy Zion".
The team built around him does Zion no favors. You need floor spacers and knockdown shooters around him. Griff has drafted one of those since taking over.
Posted on 3/4/23 at 6:09 pm to Broski
I honestly think we won't know truly how Griff has done until we see a healthy Zion season with this core.
Posted on 3/4/23 at 6:58 pm to shel311
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What? You got this backwards. What we're seeing from this team and this 8-22 or whatever it is downfall without Zion is proof that Griff did the right thing by not making any moves.
So we are putting all are cards on one player that has missed over 100 + games in 3 years?
Interesting strategy. As Portland how that went when the put all cards on Oden.
This post was edited on 3/4/23 at 6:59 pm
Posted on 3/4/23 at 7:02 pm to shel311
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What? You got this backwards. What we're seeing from this team and this 8-22 or whatever it is downfall without Zion is proof that Griff did the right thing by not making any moves.
Secondly the rest of the NBA is laughing at you on that statement.
Live by the sword. Die by the sword
This post was edited on 3/4/23 at 7:05 pm
Posted on 3/4/23 at 7:04 pm to LivingstonLaw
quote:Terrible comparison considering Zion has played more games than Oden did his entire career.
Interesting strategy. As Portland how that went when the put all cards on Oden.
Embiid is the better comp, but you didn't make that comp, funny how that works.
Posted on 3/4/23 at 7:06 pm to shel311
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Terrible comparison considering Zion has played more games than Oden did his entire career. Embiid is the better comp, but you didn't make that comp, funny how that works.
Live by the sword! Die by the sword!
Posted on 3/4/23 at 7:15 pm to LivingstonLaw
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So we are putting all are cards on one player that has missed over 100 + games in 3 years?
Yes and no. Zion seems to solve a lot of problems. At the same time CJ + BI should be able to have this team treading water and they aren’t. Why aren’t they is up for debate. I think it’s a combination of coaching and roster construction issues that need to be addressed in the offseason.
This post was edited on 3/4/23 at 7:16 pm
Posted on 3/4/23 at 7:29 pm to LivingstonLaw
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So we are putting all are cards on one player that has missed over 100 + games in 3 years?
You have to. Zion is the only chance we have at winning a title for the foreseeable future.
There is no other way.
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