Negotiating Raises

Layout why you need to be paid the same rate. Get another offer and see which best benefits you v

Fairly new and you want around the same pay as experienced employees? Do you understand what you typed?

Well bud, you've played 3 seasons with only 2 of those being full seasons. You made it to the Super Bowl one year, playoffs the next. Bunch of dudes in here giving you bad advice. Team wasn't much before you, wasn't much without you that first season. Pretty sure you can command top 5 pay no matter if a bunch of old guys have more experience than you.

But legitimately, get another offer from another company. Present it to your boss and see what happens. Be aware though, he may say take it. And if you decide to crawfish, you'll never get a raise from that company again.

People generally get paid what they are able to negotiate from more than one employer.

Comparing yourself to the more senior employees only really makes sense if you are paid less and generate more revenue. Your best tool is identifying ways to improve your employer's bottom line and then demonstrating that to your boss.

Length of tenure matters somewhat too. People who change employers do earn more but employers don't want to invest in training someone who will leave after one year.

Are you IT? Either way, certifications don't always convey your comprehension. We've hired network engineers with CCNP certs and they couldn't map out networks effectively in the real world. They're called paper tigers.

Learn the environment and prove that life is more difficult without you before demanding more money. Otherwise, they will absolutely let you walk.

I have been with my company for 16 years and a 18 months ago I asked for a raise and they gave me a slap in the face raise. Went and found another job making what I was asking for and submitted my notice and they ended up giving me a 35% raise and a few other concessions.

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Every time I ask

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How many times have you asked, fairly new guy?

If you really think you deserve more AND you’ve already asked, time to interview around and see if you get an offer that verifies your suspicion

I agree with most of your post.

But we are currently in a bout of wage inflation..
Even if he doesn't add more value, the starting point for qualified candidates has gone up.
You could be costing your business a lot of money by not entertaining a raise (despite him doing the same job/performance level at his current pay rate)

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Same certifications but less experience?

Why should you be paid the same?

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I think we're missing some vital context on whether the "experience" matters or not. Tenure != "experience".

Though just reading the tea leaves, OP sounds a bit green.

I never got anything but what they gave me, regardless of what I said.

In hindsight, I should have quit years ago and taken a lateral position. I was too busy trying to move up without any luck.

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Fairly new and you want around the same pay as experienced employees? Do you understand what you typed?

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Not sure about OP, but the more experienced estimators in my company aren’t producing nearly the same as the rest of us. We are in cost management spot now, and they refuse to do any of the reporting or financials that go with it. They aren’t catching as much as the rest of us, getting the company savings. We’re starting company wide coming to an issue that senior employees are underperforming and driving younger people to go elsewhere.

Now I feel overall, I’m being compensated well. As much as the senior estimators on my team that are doing less? No. As well as the PMs who can’t even write a scope of work for directives? Also no. But I’m in a spot where I’m paid well and when you put in time, they clearly compensate.