re: Change my mind: The average American would be better off if Ukraine lost in the next month

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there is no easy path to reintegrating Russia into the world economy.

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Of course there is, but we'd rather "press Putin."

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We've spent more on Ukraine than Russia's entire defense budget. Explain how that translates to Ukraine getting man handled?

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Because Russia is ruthless and will do whatever it takes to win this. I think Russia is going to win this conflict. But you have to do something about this if you’re in the power position the US is in. Can’t just sit back and watch shite unfold. That means you’re weaker and are vulnerable to more serious things happening in the future. US had to take a stand in this thing.

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I mean he is. That’s what he wants to do.

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He wants Russia to "challenge" the collective 30 countries in NATO? Really?

So let's think about that.

The combined GDP of NATO countries is $32.5 Trillion. Russia's GDP is $1.8 Trillion. That is an 18-fold difference.

The combined population of NATO countries is 950 million. Russia's population is 143 million. That's a 6 1/2 fold difference.

NATO has been continuously expanding toward Russia since the dissolution of the Soviet Union. NATO, a military alliance, established unilaterally, >20yrs ago, Russia was not an ally. NATO announced, over strenuous Russian objections, its intention incorporate Georgia and Ukraine. Russia responded that would constitute a declaration of war. Obama and Biden pursued the course undeterred. Russia attacked.

Yet, you consider that as Putin challenging NATO?

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Change my mind: The average American would be better off if Ukraine lost in the next month

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i can't. i want Russia to lose, but the sooner this is over the better.

if we (our overlords) really wanted this to end, it could end quickly.

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You can make excuses for Putin and say NATO forced his hand

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Making excuses..

There's no good guys here chief. We push their buttons, they push ours, Ukrainians die.

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Because Russia is ruthless and will do whatever it takes to win this.

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But yet, they really aren't. Putin could just carpet bomb the shite out of Ukraine if he wanted to. He has so many options, besides nuclear, that could decimate Zelensky yet is going the route he's using.

Why is that? He could have been marching into Kyiv like 2 weeks after this started, but he's not.

It's not because of our money stream or that the Ukrainian horse jockey is a modern day Patton.

So tell us why?

Let Russia rebuild Ukraine.

Well since you know everything, why don’t you tell us what Putin’s real motives in this thing are.

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sta4ever

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All I know is this. I don't care about Ukraine whatsoever. I mean, seriously. I don't give one single flying frick about them or their country or ANY of that shite.

I don't think they warrant any response from the US at all. They don't deserve our money, weapons, foreign policy, nothing. It sucks that Russia is attacking them but it's not our problem.

My biggest fear is our intervening. Ukraine OR Russia isn't worth an American war. It isn't worth one single American dollar LET ALONE ONE SINGLE AMERICAN LIFE.

This shite is getting old.