re: Change my mind: The average American would be better off if Ukraine lost in the next month

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never wanted to be average. Are you a settler in everything? Putin is losing this war because his army is led by corrupt crooks ....like Putin

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I’ll settle when it comes to upsetting the apple cart over fricking Ukraine.

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This is not a real war and hence there will be no winners. There’s a lot of losers. The Ukrainian people are being used as sacrificial lambs so zelensky can launder money and join nato.

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That’s quite the conspiracy you came up with baw.

NATO is already at the Russian border so I don’t think this has anything to do with “NATO aggression”.

You guys act like NATO has been militarily invading former USSR states since 1991 and that’s just not the case. The countries who have joined NATO since 1991 are choosing to do so, because they understand the threat Russia poses to Eastern Europe more than anybody else. Russia hasn’t changed a bit since the USSR collapsed. It’s still the same old BS in Moscow. I think NATO expansion to the East was the correct call. Nothing aggressive about it. NATO isn’t going to attack Russia. NATO isn’t forcing anyone to join them. No one is going to attack and try to invade Russia again. No one wants to do that and it’s a pretty hard thing to do anyways. The only country who has played the land grab game, been very aggressive towards others, and lying through their teeth on deals and other things, is Russia. You can’t trust them so NATO expansion is definitely warranted.

The NATO expansion threat perceived by Putin, is a smokescreen, and a way to try and get the Russian people to buy into the war. That’s all it is. You guys take Putin for his word way too much. It’s mind boggling actually.

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No one is going to attack and try to invade Russia again.

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Oh? Double super promise with sugar and a cherry on top? The last time NATO leaders gave their word to Russia, Bush41 and Baker assured Gorbachev and Shevardnadze that if they'd consent to a unified Germany remaining in NATO, NATO would not expand eastward. That was a baldfaced lie.

But yeah, the Russians should trust NATO now. Meanwhile, NATO brings nuclear bombers to continually buzz the Russian border. Nuclear bombers are an offensive weapon. Why would a "we'll-never-invade-Russia" NATO buzz Russia's border?

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1) We would no longer be pumping billions of dollars and technology into this conflict

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Mostly old weapons paid for long ago and more an accounting procedure. We won't have to keep paying to keep them and decomission/destroy them. 40,000,000 rounds of artillery shells are set to be disposed of this year from an Obama directive. They aren't that old.

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2) The elites and political class would no longer have their laundering playground to enrich themselves and do whatever the hell else they are doing their (sex trafficking, bio labs, narcotics, etc)

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See item 1

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3) Energy and food prices would improve, as they won't be disrupted by the activity in the region

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The USA is exporting double what Russia was exporting than before Feb 24, 2022. Production is about to boom from 70,000 to 800,000 with highly desirable crude oil from Utah. Guyana will be exporting more oil than Russia ever did in two years, and double that within 5.

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4) Thousands or even millions of Ukrainian people would not continue to be needlessly killed all just to save face for Joe Biden and that midget troll wannabe Napolean in a green shirt

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It was Ukrainians off the street, around 20,000, who showed up and forced Zelensky's hand as well as Biden's.
They want Russia out and gone. This is their choice. Freedom or Death.

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I say less, and the possibilty of Russia exposing that corruption is what US politicians cant allow to happen.

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Bingo!

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average American

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Have no power. Just like it always been in America, you are just along for the ride.