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re: Has Your Opinion of Trump changed since 2020?
Posted on 2/1/23 at 1:35 pm to LatherZap
Posted on 2/1/23 at 1:35 pm to LatherZap
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third party, I struggle to even see doing that.
I have voted 3rd party in presidential elections since 1984 due to the fact that I've never felt that either major party has reflected my values. My hope is that if enough people go 3P, the major parties will start paying attention to all the votes they're leaving on the table, and effect change. The 3P candidate doesn't have to win, the aggregate of them just have to get a significant number of votes.
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Posted on 2/1/23 at 1:37 pm to VolcanicTiger
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There was no way to come out of Covid unscathed.
Agree.
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You have no way of knowing that if Trump had done anything different then the outcome would have been better.
It's ironic to see this argument from people that believe Trump is the guy that can take the establishment down 3-4 pegs beginning in 2024.
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It's a weak line of reasoning for weak-minded people.
How so? I think it's the other way around. It's a weak line of reasoning for weak-minded people to make all the excuses for Trump on Covid.
How is it weak to hold the most powerful man in the world accountable for the actions of his own administration?
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In other words, you, with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight of 2-3 years, are taking cheap shots. Grow up.
Did you support all the lockdowns?
Did you support the suspension of individual rights?
Did you support the trillions of Covid dollars that flooded the economy?
Did you support the mandates?
Did you support all the above as it all transpired?
Unless you answer yes to all the above, your suggestion that it's only with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight one can criticize the Trump administration's Covid response is inane from your own perspective.
There was a large swath of America that did not fall victim to Covid hype and understood the risk/reward equation did not come close to rationalizing about 90% of Covid response.
This post was edited on 2/1/23 at 1:39 pm
Posted on 2/1/23 at 1:39 pm to David_DJS
quote:Emboldened a bunch of anti-establishment Trump "clones" like RDS.
Explain the ways Trump was able to loosen the grip of the establishment on the country during his first term.
Cut regulations that GOPe only pretended to oppose.
Pushed for a border wall that GOPe only pretended to support.
Didn't get us into a war.
Put McCain in his place.
Lots of stuff, but you're just an idiot, and that's why you say stupid things all the time.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 1:42 pm to I B Freeman
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I could see he surrounded himself with bad people
so he had some frickups and bad hires, sure. had to fill spots and him not being a politician unfortunately had to hire some DC clowns that did not work out. but IB A CHINA MAN who loves CCP cheap trinkets he had good hires also who got the job done.
perry
bannon
carson
devoss
mulvaney
moore
ross
kudlow
navarro
miller
whitaker
patel
holman
we can shite on pompeo but he was not bad
This post was edited on 4/12/23 at 9:04 am
Posted on 2/1/23 at 1:45 pm to CamdenTiger
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a better conservative than Trump, since Reagan?
Stupid question since neither one was an actual conservative.
Being a conservative doesn't mean cutting taxes no matter what.
Being a conservative doesn't mean ramping GDP up as high as possible no matter what.
Being a conservative doesn't mean being anti-government.
Being a conservative doesn't mean protecting 2A rights while destroying 4A rights.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 1:46 pm to VolcanicTiger
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Cut regulations that GOPe only pretended to oppose.
Temporarily, right? I hope you're not arguing that establishment has a weaker grip on things than it did in 2016.
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Pushed for a border wall that GOPe only pretended to support.
I asked for the ways he was able to loosen the grip of the establishment. Not ideas Trump had that never came to fruition.
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Didn't get us into a war.
I always give Trump credit for this, and it's a pretty big deal.
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Put McCain in his place.
lmao - yeah, that was a big blow to the establishment.
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Lots of stuff, but you're just an idiot, and that's why you say stupid things all the time.
Yeah, yeah - so much stuff that after you get to "put McCain in his place" as a big blow to the establishment, you resort to this. Cute.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 1:47 pm to CamdenTiger
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I watched him be the best conservative since Reagan
Well, they both loved gun control, so maybe you're onto something.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 1:47 pm to Cajunese
No. Trump is still saying and doing inexplicable things….things that don’t sit well with America First patriots…..he’ll still get my vote if he’s the nominee 100%.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 1:50 pm to David_DJS
quote:This makes no sense in the context of my post. Calling things "ironic" (you seem to have a habit of this) when there is nothing remotely ironic or even coincidental.. not a good look.
It's ironic to see this argument from people that believe Trump is the guy that can take the establishment down 3-4 pegs beginning in 2024.
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How so? I think it's the other way around. It's a weak line of reasoning for weak-minded people to make all the excuses for Trump on Covid.
I don't have much of a problem with how Trump handled Covid, and I say that as a doctor with a degree in Microbiology and a few epidemiology courses.
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How is it weak to hold the most powerful man in the world accountable for the actions of his own administration?
If I ask a bunch of bubbas who've moved from Trump to RDS like their moms and Ann Coulter move from man to man, they'll complain about lockdowns and blame Trump. THAT is irony. Trump didn't lock anything down, BDR did. Most of what was avoidable (key phrase here) that was foreseeable happened in blue states. A POTUS can't go into New York and override a governor, a mayor, or even a dog catcher.
What individual rights did Trump suspend, exactly?
I support the trillions minus the ones stolen or scammed or mis-allocated because I think that it would have cost us more money to not float a number of industries, and it might have saved us from total economic collapse. What really happens when you tell tens of millions of people they can't work and can't get paid and can't feed their kids? Like I said, it's easy to sit and complain, but it's also stupid.
And Trump didn't pass mandates, etc.
Instead of posting what you normally post, have you ever given any thought to posting good posts?
This post was edited on 2/1/23 at 1:54 pm
Posted on 2/1/23 at 1:50 pm to Cajunese
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Just curious with the RDS vs. Trump back and forth here. For me personally, I think Trump did some great things. His biggest enemy is his mouth. Going after RDS is counterproductive for him to where now I can see why people on the fence didn't vote for him in 2020. I don't agree with their choice, but I can still see it.
all those things for me. i voted for him in 2020 and would again if he wins primary but i have anther huge issue
he is old as frick and completely out of touch with reality of the normal middle and upper middle class. way out of touch.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 1:51 pm to David_DJS
quote:It does. See the 20 holdouts and how McCarthy is being forced to act now for reference.
Temporarily, right? I hope you're not arguing that establishment has a weaker grip on things than it did in 2016.
Pay attention, stop just making stupid posts that stupid people will like. I have better things to do than correct you line-by-line.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 1:52 pm to Cajunese
No but I don’t want him to win the nomination
Past 80 is too old to be CIC in the White House.
He is 77 in June so by June 2025, which is less than 6 months in office, he is 81.
Past 80 is too old to be CIC in the White House.
He is 77 in June so by June 2025, which is less than 6 months in office, he is 81.
This post was edited on 2/1/23 at 1:54 pm
Posted on 2/1/23 at 1:53 pm to Cajunese
Maybe when he sold Pokémon cards with his head photoshopped on Sly Stallone’s body wearing a superhero suit. That ain’t the stuff of sanity
Posted on 2/1/23 at 1:57 pm to HonoraryCoonass
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He’s turned off too many moderate republicans that he’d need to win
Some of you need to watch the YouTube videos of random people being asked Biden or Trump, & the overwhelming view is Trump. These are not your everyday conservatives either. There is one video in Harlem & their opinion is Trump due to having more money in their pockets when Trump was president.
In a free & fair election, Trump would beat anyone in a landslide. It wouldn’t be close & and the Dems know it & that is why they’ve corrupted our election process. 81 mm didn’t happen. It was stolen.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 2:18 pm to Cajunese
My opinion of Trump has remained about the same since 2016. My opinion of the establishment and the corrupt opinion of DC has gone down considerably. I believe that our intelligence, revenue, and federal law enforcement agencies have been politicized and are corrupt as hell.
It will take Trump, or someone like Trump to clean it up. It certainly is not Kevin McCarthy or Mitch McConnell. I will take him, warts and all, every single day, and twice on Sundays.
I have a high level of faith that Trump is not part of the deep state/establishment. I do not have that same level of faith in Ron DeSantis, and he is my governor.
It will take Trump, or someone like Trump to clean it up. It certainly is not Kevin McCarthy or Mitch McConnell. I will take him, warts and all, every single day, and twice on Sundays.
I have a high level of faith that Trump is not part of the deep state/establishment. I do not have that same level of faith in Ron DeSantis, and he is my governor.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 2:20 pm to Cajunese
I voted on him twice.
Mostly bc the other choice was communism.
Now I’d vote FOR him.
At least he’s honest.
Mostly bc the other choice was communism.
Now I’d vote FOR him.
At least he’s honest.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 2:23 pm to VolcanicTiger
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stop just making stupid posts that stupid people will like
Wait, aren't YOU the one who posted Trump put McCain in his place?
Posted on 2/1/23 at 2:27 pm to VolcanicTiger
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This makes no sense in the context of my post. Calling things "ironic" (you seem to have a habit of this) when there is nothing remotely ironic or even coincidental.. not a good look.
Your inability or unwillingness to follow logic is a you thing.
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I don't have much of a problem with how Trump handled Covid, and I say that as a doctor with a degree in Microbiology and a few epidemiology courses.
This explains a lot.
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If I ask a bunch of bubbas who've moved from Trump to RDS like their moms and Ann Coulter move from man to man, they'll complain about lockdowns and blame Trump. THAT is irony. Trump didn't lock anything down, BDR did. Most of what was avoidable (key phrase here) that was foreseeable happened in blue states. A POTUS can't go into New York and override a governor, a mayor, or even a dog catcher.
What individual rights did Trump suspend, exactly?
I support the trillions minus the ones stolen or scammed or mis-allocated because I think that it would have cost us more money to not float a number of industries, and it might have saved us from total economic collapse. What really happens when you tell tens of millions of people they can't work and can't get paid and can't feed their kids? Like I said, it's easy to sit and complain, but it's also stupid.
And Trump didn't pass mandates, etc.
You sound like jjdoc. You're pretending the CDC had nothing to do with what governors and mayors did and Trump's Coronavirus task force was all show. You're pretending that governors and mayors would have done exactly as they did in all 50 states if Trump did not cheerlead flooding their states with trillions of dollars, and instead led the adults in the country in pushing back on the overreaction. You're pretending that Trump, again - the most powerful man in the world - had no ability to change what was happening in the country he led.
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Instead of posting what you normally post, have you ever given any thought to posting good posts?
Says the guy who just posted that he has no problem with how Covid was handled by the federal government.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 2:31 pm to David_DJS
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David_DJS
Everytime I enter a thread, you always spout the same thing as if we are going to ignore it.
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Did you support all the lockdowns?
You are always laying that on Trump and everytime I have to point out that Trump did not. Did not have the power to do it.
It was the Governors that did it.
So did you support Kemp and DeSantis shutting down their states or not?
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Did you support the suspension of individual rights? Did you support the trillions of Covid dollars that flooded the economy? Did you support the mandates? Did you support all the above as it all transpired?
that goes for all of that too.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 2:34 pm to VolcanicTiger
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It does. See the 20 holdouts and how McCarthy is being forced to act now for reference.
What does this have to do with regulations Trump suspended/canceled that Biden reinstated?
Do you understand what it means when I post a quote from you, and then respond below it?
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Pay attention
And you self-identify as being educated.
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have better things to do than correct you line-by-line.
What you have time for is posting nonsense and then telling yourself how brilliant it is.
Could you post your credentials again? That'll make all your bullshite more compelling for sure.
You are a riot.
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