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re: You’re A Cop, You Pull Over Guy For Warrant, He Refuses To Get Out, What Do You Do?
Posted on 2/1/23 at 9:23 am to TheDeathValley
Posted on 2/1/23 at 9:23 am to TheDeathValley
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One thing I always thought about- could there be a device that would hold a car in place if they tried to run in these situations. This would allow additional responders time to arrive.
Something like this but not deployed.
Yes, it is called a modern day communications network. If the idiot runs off after giving a drivers license with someone's name on it who has outstanding warrants all that is needed is a radio and a general direction and description of the car. Go to the addess on the license, if it was indeed him he will be going there most likely sometime soon and if not you haven't set off a wave of violent protests across the nation. Win win.
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Posted on 2/1/23 at 9:29 am to BuckyCheese
Shoot him between the eyes, drag his corpse out of the car,take any cash in his pockets and donate to St. Jude. Do I get the job?
Posted on 2/1/23 at 9:35 am to High Desert
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A lot of people talk about cops as if they shouldn't have any better restraint than your local Bubba at the bar.
You hear a lot of, "well, yeah, but what happened BEFORE the video". As if ganging up to beat someone to death could have ANYTHING prior to the video making it OK for cops.
Oh sure, if some dude was shooting at me before my friends and I overwhelmed him, WE might beat the dog shite out of him and he'd have it comin. But WE aren't agents of the state given a badge, gun and authority.
If a cop can't manage to remain professional, he can go be a plumber.
Amen brother preach...and you'd think that the good cops on the force would agree 100% because the one who can't conduct himself professionally makes all of their job harder to do and more dangerous. They do not do this because their number is waaaaaayyyyyy over stated, assuming they exist at all for long.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 10:15 am to 14&Counting
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Call in my backup guys, haul him out, and beat the ever living shite out of him.
You forgot to "accidently" knock off your body cam while hauling him out
Posted on 2/1/23 at 10:15 am to High Desert
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There have got to be a thousand videos of police hitting someone with a taser and then using the fact that people being tazed physically move to then, taze them again.
While screaming, "stop moving!!!!".
There are thousands of videos of cops screaming conflicting orders at folks simultaneously and then getting put out because the person is not complying with an order to "get on your back" and "get on your stomache" and "be still" and "move forward". It is a horrible idea to encourage agents of the state to be wrestling around on the side of the road with an irate citizen. It is going to ALWAYS make things worse than better and liable to kick off a wave of violence and destruction. Why we don't tell them to knock it off is almost as hard to understand as why they continue to do it with all of the evidence they have first hand of it not helping a situation EVER.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 10:31 am to SlowFlowPro
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This scenario is theoretically true.
This scenario is insanely rare. I mean to the point where it doesn't exist, statistically.
The biggest problem we have with policing in the United States is the myth that police hold near and dear to their hearts and the public likes to believe and that is that the job is dangerous. It isn't in relative terms to occupations and is safer that landscaping and supervising most blue collar jobs. Of the top ways police suffer bodily injury on the job violence is #6 and the least common method. The main way they get hurt and killed is in auto accidents, most of which they choose to engage in dangerous acts like high speed pursuit etc. The second way they get hurt is by running and jumping and falling while in pursuit if a suspect who has run off. Remove them driving like lunatics and running after young men when they are nearing middle aged and their job is as safe as that of an accountant. They are crippled by the fear that the public is out to get them when the fact is the vast majority of the public is doing everything it can to avoid coming in contact with them.
The work is also not that physically demanding. It is in fact 41st most demanding job in America according to the US Department of Labor. That is 15 - 20 spots behind most construction occupations. It isn't physical, it isn't dangerous and it isn't mentally challenging...according to pro-police sites and organizations like the Fraternal Order of Police somehwere in the vicinity of 1% of police agencies in the US require a college degree. So it ain't dangerous, it ain't hard and it ain't rocket science. But we pretend otherwise for some reason and allow them to do all manner of ill shite all of the time.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 10:35 am to HeadSlash
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Dogs can't violate civil rights
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The dog. Call for the dog.
Nothing works like the dog.
Every department in the country needs 200 dogs.
Dogs can't violate civil rights
Its toungue in cheek but it is far better to have a dog chewing on a suspect than 3 or 4 men beating him to death when cameras are about. For one thing the dog is not going to screaming obscentities and conflicting orders in the same breath. What is required of the suspect in the case of a dog is beyond question. Also most people will take the side of the dog if the suspect hurts the dog while they will be indifferent about a cop who is on camera screaming obscenities and conflicting orders simulataneously and were be less likely to partake in a violent riot. I t would be FAR better for dogs to do jobs that cops do today....far batter.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 11:26 am to AwgustaDawg
Certain select units have a physical demand, but by and large you are correct. My experience with cops is that after about 10 years on the job they are pretty out of shape and overweight. Also most never pull their weapon or are put in what would be regarded as being put in harm's way.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 2:36 pm to JackieTreehorn
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Everybody knows, if the police have to come and get you they’re bringing an arse whoopin with them.
I prefer when they send in the bite dog. That dog will drag their arse out the window.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 2:41 pm to LuckyTiger
Shoot him and go to relatives house rinse and repeat
Posted on 2/1/23 at 2:50 pm to LuckyTiger
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You’re A Cop, You Pull Over Guy For Warrant, He Refuses To Get Out, What Do You Do?
Be nice.
This post was edited on 2/1/23 at 2:51 pm
Posted on 2/1/23 at 2:51 pm to AwgustaDawg
Yep,
And they can really tear flesh off the bone.
... legally.
And they can really tear flesh off the bone.
... legally.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 2:52 pm to 14&Counting
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Call in my backup guys, haul him out, and beat the ever living shite out of him.
You almost had it.
Posted on 2/1/23 at 3:00 pm to AwgustaDawg
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The biggest problem we have with policing in the United States is the myth that police hold near and dear to their hearts and the public likes to believe and that is that the job is dangerous. It isn't in relative terms to occupations and is safer that landscaping and supervising most blue collar jobs. Of the top ways police suffer bodily injury on the job violence is #6 and the least common method. The main way they get hurt and killed is in auto accidents, most of which they choose to engage in dangerous acts like high speed pursuit etc. The second way they get hurt is by running and jumping and falling while in pursuit if a suspect who has run off. Remove them driving like lunatics and running after young men when they are nearing middle aged and their job is as safe as that of an accountant. They are crippled by the fear that the public is out to get them when the fact is the vast majority of the public is doing everything it can to avoid coming in contact with them.
You know one way you know the above is true? Simple. The COPS tell you by their own actions.
We are always told how horribly dangerous traffic stops are. Yet, all around America, we have police engaging in VERY CLEAR fishing expedition stops. If you were REALLY scared of traffic stops, you aren't going to be looking to frick with drivers over every petty thing.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 9:12 am to High Desert
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You know one way you know the above is true? Simple. The COPS tell you by their own actions.
We are always told how horribly dangerous traffic stops are. Yet, all around America, we have police engaging in VERY CLEAR fishing expedition stops. If you were REALLY scared of traffic stops, you aren't going to be looking to frick with drivers over every petty thing.
Damn bringing logic and reason to an emotional gun fight LOL! Of course it ain't dangerous relatively speaking. It can and does go wrong from time to time but ladders and scaffolding collapse from time to time also and you don't hear construction workers whining to the media about how dangerous their job is (most are way closer to the most dangerous jobs in the US than policing is).
I work in the electrical industry and have my entire adult life. From construction electrician to engineer to management. Electrical work is among the top 10 most dangerous jobs in the US, far more dangerous than being a cop. One of the most dangerous things electrical workers do is work on energized equipment when it is energized. Sometimes it is necessary. Data indicates it is safer to do so in pairs than having one person doing it alone...and many states require 2 or more people be present if work is being performed on energized circuits above a prescribed level of voltage. Electricians caused these laws to be enacted because their employers couldn't care less and electricians knew the work was safer with 2 than 1. Cops know their job is not dangerous thats why most work alone. If they were truly concerned they would insist on having a partner like electricians did.
Some would and have posited the reason so many cops prefer working alone is two fold. First they know the work is not dangerous and second if they have a partner that person must be trusted to break the law and keep their mouth shut when bribes and cash show up and is there for the taking. Given the data which indeed supports the fact that police corruption is a major problem in the US it ain't that far fetched.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 9:17 am to LuckyTiger
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You’re A Cop, You Pull Over Guy For Warrant, He Refuses To Get Out, What Do You Do?
Give him a stern warning and then offer him a free gift card to order dinner for two from Applebees.
Posted on 2/2/23 at 9:47 am to hogcard1964
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I'm not quite understanding the mind set of someone when a cop gives them a lawful order, they think they can disagree or argue with him.
"Sir you have a warrant out for your arrest. Please step out of the car."
"No I won't"
"Yes, I can promise you, you will "
because that interaction can go differently.
"License and registration"
"what is this about?"
"Ill explain when i'm done"
"Id just like to know why im being pulled over"
"now you're refusing to ID, resisting arrest, get out of the vehicle"
its not difficult to understand why someone won't blindly comply to a T when cops are vague, unwilling, or unable to effectively communicate and expect mind-reader like compliance. cops dodge legit questions, lie, give unlawful orders, and/or refuse to explain the situation on why this authority is being imposed.
sure this may be reasonable in a few circumstances for cops to do, but it isn't some mystery why people may respond poorly.
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