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re: You’re A Cop, You Pull Over Guy For Warrant, He Refuses To Get Out, What Do You Do?
Posted on 1/31/23 at 7:25 pm to LuckyTiger
Posted on 1/31/23 at 7:25 pm to LuckyTiger
I’d call the community relations department and go get a donut
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Posted on 1/31/23 at 7:27 pm to Tomatocantender
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Cop: Hey buddy, you are driving with no license plate and 2 busted tail lights. Dumbass driver: There's no way, you're lying, I'm going to show you that you're full of shite. Cop: Hey Einstein, thanks for following me to the back of your car, now put your hands behind your back as I handcuff your stupid arse for an outstanding warrant.
What if he’s like Tyre and you can’t handcuff him?
Posted on 1/31/23 at 7:27 pm to brass2mouth
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What’s the warrant for?
Doesn’t matter
It most certainly does.
Posted on 1/31/23 at 7:28 pm to DownSouthJukin
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What’s the warrant for?
Let’s say failure to appear.
Posted on 1/31/23 at 7:29 pm to LCA131
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didn’t say just hold his hand as he steps out like you are inferring
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Remember, the speaker or writer implies. The listener or reader infers.
What I said makes sense and is perfect here. Based on the way he read it, he came to the conclusion that I was saying something else….nice try to change the subject for no reason
Posted on 1/31/23 at 7:32 pm to IT_Dawg
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Nice selective reading. I said using protocols and legal requirements for making an arrest. Pretty sure use of a baton to break the window, multiple officers pulling him and doing other forceful actions are protocol…. I didn’t say just hold his hand as he steps out like you are inferring
I get what you’re saying.
But that’s what two cops initially did to Tyre. When they couldn’t cuff him, they also pepper sprayed him and then tased him.
And he still got away and ran off.
And those two cops have been fired and may be charged.
Posted on 1/31/23 at 7:33 pm to LuckyTiger
What's the warrant for?
How big is he?
Either way, I call for backup. And enough that the difference in ability is overwhelming.
Then, what I'm willing to do to get him out of the car will be driven somewhat by the type of warrant. I mean, armed robbery is gonna get a firmed hand than "oh, you had a traffic ticket 6 months ago you never paid".
Regardless. As an agent of the state, despite what these morons repeatedly say, the #1 priority is the SAFETY OF THE CITIZEN!
Almost every situation where cops end up really fricking up a dude it's because they acted rashly and with emotion. Patient, deliberate action is gonna get 99.99999% of non-violent criminals out of the car with barely an issue at all.
The violent ones? Well, that may end up worse for wear. ALTHOUGH, that does NOT mean that their warrant type BY DEFAULT allows for beating their arse.
If you get the guy wanted for murder out of the car and he does NOT get violent, then guess what? Check your emotions at the fricking door and just do your job.
How big is he?
Either way, I call for backup. And enough that the difference in ability is overwhelming.
Then, what I'm willing to do to get him out of the car will be driven somewhat by the type of warrant. I mean, armed robbery is gonna get a firmed hand than "oh, you had a traffic ticket 6 months ago you never paid".
Regardless. As an agent of the state, despite what these morons repeatedly say, the #1 priority is the SAFETY OF THE CITIZEN!
Almost every situation where cops end up really fricking up a dude it's because they acted rashly and with emotion. Patient, deliberate action is gonna get 99.99999% of non-violent criminals out of the car with barely an issue at all.
The violent ones? Well, that may end up worse for wear. ALTHOUGH, that does NOT mean that their warrant type BY DEFAULT allows for beating their arse.
If you get the guy wanted for murder out of the car and he does NOT get violent, then guess what? Check your emotions at the fricking door and just do your job.
Posted on 1/31/23 at 7:34 pm to LuckyTiger
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You’re a cop.
In your scenario, how close to retirement is the cop to retirement ? If I were still in law enforcement, that factor, as unfortunate as it seems, would weigh heavily into the equation, given the status quo these days.
The only mitigating factor would be the nature of the warrant. If it's a warrant for "failure to appear" on a traffic ticket, or something of that nature, then I'd be inclined to call for a supervisor, and relinquish all authority/liability to him.
If it's a Felony warrant, of a violent nature, and the suspect poses a risk to others, then I do what is necessary to apprehend the suspect, by the book, using all the knowledge, and training, that I have accumulated over the years, and I'd do it by the book, by the letter of the law.
This post was edited on 1/31/23 at 7:36 pm
Posted on 1/31/23 at 7:34 pm to LuckyTiger
quote:I'm not under the impression Tyre even had a warrant. Hell, near as we can tell, the cops didn't even witness his supposed crime. They "got a call".
But that’s what two cops initially did to Tyre. When they couldn’t cuff him, they also pepper sprayed him and then tased him.
Posted on 1/31/23 at 7:35 pm to LuckyTiger
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What if he’s like Tyre and you can’t handcuff him?
They could have and should have handcuffed him earlier. Instead they just wanted to be thugs.
Posted on 1/31/23 at 7:36 pm to LuckyTiger
quote:They cops aren't in trouble because they took him out of the car.
nd he still got away and ran off.
And those two cops have been fired and may be charged.
They aren't in trouble because they screwed up and let him get away.
They're in trouble because they let their emotions turn them into nothing but people seeking vengeance cause they were pissed.
And sorry cop lovers. That is NOT ok under ANY circumstances
Posted on 1/31/23 at 7:37 pm to LuckyTiger
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You’re A Cop, You Pull Over Guy For Warrant, He Refuses To Get Out, What Do You Do?
Blow his head clean off and piss on his corpse
Use his phone to post the video to his Facebook
Posted on 1/31/23 at 7:40 pm to IT_Dawg
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You don’t have to shoot with gun instead of taser. You don’t have to sit on his neck for 9 mins. You don’t have to get 4 of your buds and beat the shite out of him while someone’s holding him up. You don’t have to shoot him in the back if he runs unless he pulls a weapon. Thousands of cops do exactly what you asked every week without breaking the law
You don't have to commit crimes. You don't have to hustle meth, Fentanyl, & fake $20 bills. You don't have to fight with a the police. You don't have to run from the police. You don't have to try & grab their weapon. You don't have to throw feces and/or urine at them. You don't have to launch projectiles at them. You don't have to ambush/shoot them.
Thousands of ordinary citizens go w/o breaking the law w/o being asked to do so.
You don't have to protest & riot as an excuse to commit more crimes.
How many "mostly peaceful protests" are in the name of stopping systemic criminality?
Posted on 1/31/23 at 7:42 pm to LuckyTiger
My prior answer missed one obvious thing.
You don't get pissed off. In fact, that moment is the precise moment to be the most weirdly patient MFer in the world.
The second you get mad and start screaming because your ego is bruised that he's not following your orders, you actually end up putting BOTH him AND you at risk. Because now you're not thinking rationally. You're losing situational awareness. And on and on.
You don't get pissed off. In fact, that moment is the precise moment to be the most weirdly patient MFer in the world.
The second you get mad and start screaming because your ego is bruised that he's not following your orders, you actually end up putting BOTH him AND you at risk. Because now you're not thinking rationally. You're losing situational awareness. And on and on.
Posted on 1/31/23 at 7:43 pm to High Desert
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Either way, I call for backup. And enough that the difference in ability is overwhelming. Then, what I'm willing to do to get him out of the car will be driven somewhat by the type of warrant. I mean, armed robbery is gonna get a firmed hand than "oh, you had a traffic ticket 6 months ago you never paid". Regardless. As an agent of the state, despite what these morons repeatedly say, the #1 priority is the SAFETY OF THE CITIZEN! Almost every situation where cops end up really fricking up a dude it's because they acted rashly and with emotion. Patient, deliberate action is gonna get 99.99999% of non-violent criminals out of the car with barely an issue at all. The violent ones? Well, that may end up worse for wear. ALTHOUGH, that does NOT mean that their warrant type BY DEFAULT allows for beating their arse. If you get the guy wanted for murder out of the car and he does NOT get violent, then guess what? Check your emotions at the fricking door and just do your job.
This all sounds excellent and I agree with all of it.
You have to have guys that can control their emotions and not go Judge Dredd when someone challenges them and makes their jobs difficult.
Posted on 1/31/23 at 7:43 pm to LuckyTiger
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What’s the warrant for?
Let’s say failure to appear.
For what?
Posted on 1/31/23 at 7:50 pm to IT_Dawg
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Just to follow up on the suggestion to “remove him from the vehicle following proper protocols”... What if he’s stronger than you and you can’t remove him from the car? Do you call your buddies and try to pull him out? Pepper spray him? What if he still doesn’t get out? Pepper spray him again? What if he still doesn’t get out? Tase him? What if he still doesn’t get out? Tase him again?
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Yes. Those are all within protocol.
And if he dies from being sprayed and tased, could you be fired? Could you be facing a murder charge?
Posted on 1/31/23 at 7:56 pm to High Desert
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They cops aren't in trouble because they took him out of the car. They aren't in trouble because they screwed up and let him get away. They're in trouble because they let their emotions turn them into nothing but people seeking vengeance cause they were pissed.
Those two guys didn’t go to the second scene where Tyre was beaten to death. The fat cop stayed and did paperwork, rewound his taser, and kept pouring water on the face of the other cop who got accidentally sprayed.
Posted on 1/31/23 at 8:00 pm to LuckyTiger
This is what we were taught:
Ask
Tell
Make
Ask
Tell
Make
Posted on 1/31/23 at 8:00 pm to High Desert
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My prior answer missed one obvious thing. You don't get pissed off. In fact, that moment is the precise moment to be the most weirdly patient MFer in the world. The second you get mad and start screaming because your ego is bruised that he's not following your orders, you actually end up putting BOTH him AND you at risk. Because now you're not thinking rationally. You're losing situational awareness. And on and on.
I agree.
They got pissed because they couldn’t subdue Tyre. He got away from other cops. He fled scene. They couldn’t subdue him after tasing and spraying. They were gonna MAKE him submit...no matter what...in that moment. Their blood was up, they became emotional. It was almost like a road rage incident where someone ends up killing another person.
You can’t have cops like that.
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