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The Power Play in hockey is the best way to handle penalties of the 4 major sports leagues
Posted on 1/31/23 at 4:18 am
Posted on 1/31/23 at 4:18 am
In football you're awarded yards and also downs. These yards can put a team in and out of scoring range because there's a finite number of yards on the field. Even worse they can give a team an automatic 1st down. Nothing more demoralizing than when it's 3rd and 10 and there's defensive holding and boom 5 yards and an auto first down when the QB may have not been looking that way anyway.
Basketball you get free throws. That's free points on the board for a basket that may or may not have been made. Scoring is so prevalent in the league that no one questions it and is usually (I say usually) balances out but sometimes it doesn't and you have one team getting like +20 points at the stripe compared to the opponent and even have players with the intention and strategy of fishing for fouls. Not a fun product to watch imo.
There really isn't a "penalty" in baseball akin to the other sports aside from ejections and stuff when players or managers feel like getting ejected. But as far as ref influence goes baseball is kind of inexcusable but we want to maintain the human element of inconsistent strike zones for reasons. So striking out looking on something outside the zone is ok because he should have swung at something outside the zone on a 1-2 count, he shouldn't have let it get to 1-2 according to the ump's subjective strike zone. OK
At least with hockey even though it's 5 on 4 (usually, sometimes it's 5 on 3 or 4 on 4 staggered) the team with the disadvantage can ice the puck legally without stoppage to burn time so they get a bit of a perk, and the team with the advantage still has to convert and not commit a penalty themselves during their time. They have to earn that shite it's not just awarded to them and most of the time they don't, the highest PP% in league history is 32% or just under 1/3 of the time. That's the best ever.
Basketball you get free throws. That's free points on the board for a basket that may or may not have been made. Scoring is so prevalent in the league that no one questions it and is usually (I say usually) balances out but sometimes it doesn't and you have one team getting like +20 points at the stripe compared to the opponent and even have players with the intention and strategy of fishing for fouls. Not a fun product to watch imo.
There really isn't a "penalty" in baseball akin to the other sports aside from ejections and stuff when players or managers feel like getting ejected. But as far as ref influence goes baseball is kind of inexcusable but we want to maintain the human element of inconsistent strike zones for reasons. So striking out looking on something outside the zone is ok because he should have swung at something outside the zone on a 1-2 count, he shouldn't have let it get to 1-2 according to the ump's subjective strike zone. OK
At least with hockey even though it's 5 on 4 (usually, sometimes it's 5 on 3 or 4 on 4 staggered) the team with the disadvantage can ice the puck legally without stoppage to burn time so they get a bit of a perk, and the team with the advantage still has to convert and not commit a penalty themselves during their time. They have to earn that shite it's not just awarded to them and most of the time they don't, the highest PP% in league history is 32% or just under 1/3 of the time. That's the best ever.
Posted on 1/31/23 at 6:28 am to WaterLink
Hockey has the best overtime as well
Posted on 1/31/23 at 7:51 am to WaterLink
They should definitely do it for goal to go situations. Ridiculous that if it's close the defense can keep trying to time the snap and jump off sides with almost no penalty but if the offense gets a holding they back up 10 yards.
They should remove defensive players in those situations.
They should remove defensive players in those situations.
Posted on 1/31/23 at 8:11 am to WITNESS23
I think it would be fun if every penalty was that player sat out the next play. No yardage or down adjustment. Just line up the next play with 10 guys
Posted on 1/31/23 at 8:14 am to WaterLink
Hockey really is the best sport out there in terms of athletic ability of the players, how a champion is determined (long playoff series), and officiating control. It will never gain more traction in the US, unfortunately. Couple that with the sport consisting of a lot of white, foreign players that refuse to abide by woke US narratives, and it will continued to be "ignored" purposely by the media. The only time hockey gets big play here is if team USA does something decent every four years.
Posted on 1/31/23 at 8:30 am to EZE Tiger Fan
quote:Which is ironic because I would consider the NHL to be the farthest left of any sports organization.
Couple that with the sport consisting of a lot of white, foreign players that refuse to abide by woke US narratives
The NHL sponsored a transgender hockey game lately and it was a disaster
Posted on 1/31/23 at 8:43 am to WaterLink
Don't forget about the penalty shot too.
Posted on 1/31/23 at 8:52 am to bee Rye
What’s the overtime rules these days?
I use to go to lots of Hurricanes games growing up before there were shootouts and saw a lot of tie games. Went to a minor league game a few months ago - after regulation they went to a 7:00 3-3 sudden death period, then a shootout. It was a lot of fun to watch
I use to go to lots of Hurricanes games growing up before there were shootouts and saw a lot of tie games. Went to a minor league game a few months ago - after regulation they went to a 7:00 3-3 sudden death period, then a shootout. It was a lot of fun to watch
Posted on 1/31/23 at 8:57 am to WaterLink
Soccer has the same thing with the PK
Posted on 1/31/23 at 9:13 am to Rig
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Which is ironic because I would consider the NHL to be the farthest left of any sports organization.
The NHL maybe does more LGBT stuff because they can’t play the race angle as much.
I think they’re all pretty awful about it. I’m not sure how you distinguish one over the other.
Posted on 1/31/23 at 9:25 am to BCLA
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Don't forget about the penalty shot too.
A penalty shoot out in over time hockey feels like it’s much more akin to actual game play than penalty shots in soccer. In hokey there are breakaways that routinely result in shooter v goalie 1 on 1 as opposed to soccer penalty kicks
Posted on 1/31/23 at 9:32 am to EZE Tiger Fan
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Hockey really is the best sport out there in terms of athletic ability of the players, how a champion is determined (long playoff series), and officiating control. It will never gain more traction in the US, unfortunately. Couple that with the sport consisting of a lot of white, foreign players that refuse to abide by woke US narratives, and it will continued to be "ignored" purposely by the media. The only time hockey gets big play here is if team USA does something decent every four years.
This may be true in the South, but it's a big deal for most cities up north and Canada obviously.
Posted on 1/31/23 at 9:34 am to Furbs311
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I use to go to lots of Hurricanes games growing up before there were shootouts and saw a lot of tie games. Went to a minor league game a few months ago - after regulation they went to a 7:00 3-3 sudden death period, then a shootout. It was a lot of fun to watch
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What’s the overtime rules these days?
Regular Season:
5 mins 3v3, then a 3 man shootout
Playoffs:
5v5, 20 minute extended periods, golden goal
Posted on 1/31/23 at 11:49 am to Oilfieldbiology
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I think it would be fun if every penalty was that player sat out the next play. No yardage or down adjustment. Just line up the next play with 10 guys
While something needs to be done, this isn't it. 3rd and long (6+), just have the CB commit a PI when the ball is in the air to keep the 1st down from happening. Now it's 4th & 6+ and the defense just has to field the ball with 10 players.
Posted on 1/31/23 at 12:14 pm to WaterLink
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the team with the disadvantage can ice the puck legally without stoppage to burn time so they get a bit of a perk,
why should they get a perk though...they are being penalized.
I think some of the football penalties are stupid. Since they are based on yardage a team shouldn't be given an automatic first down for a 5 yard holding call when it's 3rd a 15...replay the down and make it 3rd and 10.
Posted on 1/31/23 at 1:11 pm to WaterLink
So let’s apply this to football and make the defense have to sit a defensive back for 2:00. You don’t think that would be an EXTREMELY big advantage to the offense and vastly increase the rate of scoring?
Posted on 1/31/23 at 2:08 pm to WaterLink
To throw this out there, the team playing with the penalty in hockey still has a rare opportunity to score. Short-hand goals are great unless it happens to your team.
Posted on 1/31/23 at 2:10 pm to bee Rye
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Hockey has the best overtime as well
Nah. Baseball you just keep playing the same game til somebody wins which is the best way to do it
Posted on 1/31/23 at 2:14 pm to Cosmo
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Nah. Baseball you just keep playing the same game til somebody wins which is the best way to do it
That's how the NHL playoffs are.
Doesn't MLB start with a runner on 2nd now or did they get rid of that?
Posted on 1/31/23 at 2:20 pm to KosmoCramer
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That's how the NHL playoffs are.
They got rid of shootouts in playoffs?
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