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Bruce Pearl's first three years at Auburn
Posted on 1/19/23 at 7:32 am
Posted on 1/19/23 at 7:32 am
Bruce Pearl came in to Auburn with a lot more credentials and name recognition than McMahon and didn't take over a program facing potential draconian sanctions:
2014–15 Auburn 15–20 4–14 13th
2015–16 Auburn 11–20 5–13 13th
2016–17 Auburn 18–14 7–11 11th
Stop the histrionics and give him time to get established. The schedule gets much lighter in February and things can change in a hurry.
2014–15 Auburn 15–20 4–14 13th
2015–16 Auburn 11–20 5–13 13th
2016–17 Auburn 18–14 7–11 11th
Stop the histrionics and give him time to get established. The schedule gets much lighter in February and things can change in a hurry.
This post was edited on 1/19/23 at 12:08 pm
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Posted on 1/19/23 at 7:39 am to tigersbb
Great point
Posted on 1/19/23 at 7:46 am to tigersbb
Emotional women don't like facts. Zero players, put together a roster in 2 months, WIN NOW.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 7:47 am to tigersbb
He also didn’t take over a program that had been to 4 straight NCAA tournaments. He also didn’t have the roster that McMahon has this year.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 7:52 am to tigersbb
Did he have the ability to add immediately eligible transfers?
Posted on 1/19/23 at 8:05 am to tigersbb
agree with everything stated but the draconian sanctions. Look at the "punishment" received by other schools with very similar violations and the fact the Coach was fired, it'd be shocking if any significant sanctions were placed on LSU.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 8:07 am to tigersbb
Stop with the rationale
Posted on 1/19/23 at 8:39 am to tigersbb
The freedom of transfer rules also didn't exist during Pearl's first 3 years either. That is a complete game changer and has expedited the rebuilding process.
In 20-21 TJ Otzelberger took over an Iowa St. team that was the WORST in major conference basketball the year before. 2-22 record (0-18 in Big 12 play). 7 guys from the 20-21 team transferred. He had 3 scholarship players on his roster before bringing in transfers and 1 signee. The team didn't even have the full 13 scholarship players on the roster. All ISU did last season was make the NCAA Tournament (where they beat LSU) and reach the Sweet 16. ONE year after winning two games. Lest you think that was a fluke, Iowa St. is currently ranked #12 and tied for first place in the toughest conference in CBB.
Tied with Iowa St. for first place right now is Kansas St. They are led by first year HC Jerome Tang. Before Tang took over Kansas St had three straight losing seasons. I know we all like to think LSU is the only team that had a mass exodus after a coaching change...but it's not. Nine (9) players transferred out of KSU. Tang had to bring in an ENTIRELY new roster with 10 transfers and 2 freshman signees. Good thing Tang didn't just accept his team had to be horrible in year one, because he is currently 16-2 with wins over Texas, Baylor and Kansas.
Now, are those guys the "high end" of what can happen in just the course of year? Sure. But comparing coaches in the pre freedom to transfer era to the post freedom of transfer era is ridiculous. I have ZERO doubt Pearl's first three years at Auburn would have looked vastly different had he been able to turn over the roster with transfers like coaches can now.
It is equally as ridiculous to give McMahon a complete pass because "he started with zero players". Most first year HCs in this era of CBB are going to have to completely rebuild the roster in their first season. As noted above, Iowa St and Kansas St (like LSU) had just a small handful of player return in their new coaches first season. Florida had to bring in 7 new players this season. Same for Georgia.
I don't care where McMahon started in April. He had a full roster going into the season. A roster that, despite McMahon never coaching a major conference game in his life was though enough of to pick LSU to finish 8th this season in what was expected to be a loaded SEC. That LSU is losing to Kentucky, Auburn, Alabama is not unexpected. Those teams are better. But this LSU team is not only losing, they are not even competitive right now. And that's not just to Alabama and Auburn. That's against A&M and Florida too. Decent, but by no means great teams.
So no, I don't think McMahon should get a 100% pass on what's going on right now just because it is his first season. For all of the constant absurd bitching and complain about LSU's "street ball" offense under Wade, it was NEVER, not even close, to as bad as LSU's offense right now. From an efficiency standpoint this is the worst LSU offense in over a decade. That's not solely on the players. The staff is not getting it done.
I'm not leading the charge to fire McMahon after just over half of his first season. But along with the ability to completely overhaul a roster in one season comes a corresponding decrease in the level of patience that should be afforded to HCs in doing so. You can cry and say that's not fair. And maybe it isn't. But that IS reality.
In 20-21 TJ Otzelberger took over an Iowa St. team that was the WORST in major conference basketball the year before. 2-22 record (0-18 in Big 12 play). 7 guys from the 20-21 team transferred. He had 3 scholarship players on his roster before bringing in transfers and 1 signee. The team didn't even have the full 13 scholarship players on the roster. All ISU did last season was make the NCAA Tournament (where they beat LSU) and reach the Sweet 16. ONE year after winning two games. Lest you think that was a fluke, Iowa St. is currently ranked #12 and tied for first place in the toughest conference in CBB.
Tied with Iowa St. for first place right now is Kansas St. They are led by first year HC Jerome Tang. Before Tang took over Kansas St had three straight losing seasons. I know we all like to think LSU is the only team that had a mass exodus after a coaching change...but it's not. Nine (9) players transferred out of KSU. Tang had to bring in an ENTIRELY new roster with 10 transfers and 2 freshman signees. Good thing Tang didn't just accept his team had to be horrible in year one, because he is currently 16-2 with wins over Texas, Baylor and Kansas.
Now, are those guys the "high end" of what can happen in just the course of year? Sure. But comparing coaches in the pre freedom to transfer era to the post freedom of transfer era is ridiculous. I have ZERO doubt Pearl's first three years at Auburn would have looked vastly different had he been able to turn over the roster with transfers like coaches can now.
It is equally as ridiculous to give McMahon a complete pass because "he started with zero players". Most first year HCs in this era of CBB are going to have to completely rebuild the roster in their first season. As noted above, Iowa St and Kansas St (like LSU) had just a small handful of player return in their new coaches first season. Florida had to bring in 7 new players this season. Same for Georgia.
I don't care where McMahon started in April. He had a full roster going into the season. A roster that, despite McMahon never coaching a major conference game in his life was though enough of to pick LSU to finish 8th this season in what was expected to be a loaded SEC. That LSU is losing to Kentucky, Auburn, Alabama is not unexpected. Those teams are better. But this LSU team is not only losing, they are not even competitive right now. And that's not just to Alabama and Auburn. That's against A&M and Florida too. Decent, but by no means great teams.
So no, I don't think McMahon should get a 100% pass on what's going on right now just because it is his first season. For all of the constant absurd bitching and complain about LSU's "street ball" offense under Wade, it was NEVER, not even close, to as bad as LSU's offense right now. From an efficiency standpoint this is the worst LSU offense in over a decade. That's not solely on the players. The staff is not getting it done.
I'm not leading the charge to fire McMahon after just over half of his first season. But along with the ability to completely overhaul a roster in one season comes a corresponding decrease in the level of patience that should be afforded to HCs in doing so. You can cry and say that's not fair. And maybe it isn't. But that IS reality.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 8:40 am to tigersbb
Basketball has changed a lot since Bruce Pearl first started at Auburn. One-and-done guys and the transfer portal have been the big changes.
McMahon seems like a good guy and he had good results at Murray State, but when you get beat by a combined 60 points in 2 games, fans aren't going to be too optimistic. McMahon's coaching style doesn't go well with how we're playing right now. He is extremely mild-mannered on the bench and when your team is getting destroyed and the coach doesn't seem to have much to say, then the fans are going to get even more upset.
Pearl has never been accused of being mild-mannered on the bench. Now, it doesn't mean going crazy, etc., will absolutely yield positive results, but from a fan perspective, it tends to make you feel like the coach wants better than what he is witnessing.
McMahon seems like a good guy and he had good results at Murray State, but when you get beat by a combined 60 points in 2 games, fans aren't going to be too optimistic. McMahon's coaching style doesn't go well with how we're playing right now. He is extremely mild-mannered on the bench and when your team is getting destroyed and the coach doesn't seem to have much to say, then the fans are going to get even more upset.
Pearl has never been accused of being mild-mannered on the bench. Now, it doesn't mean going crazy, etc., will absolutely yield positive results, but from a fan perspective, it tends to make you feel like the coach wants better than what he is witnessing.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 8:56 am to tigersbb
Bruce Pearl also had a history running a successful program in the SEC.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 8:58 am to tigersbb
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Stop the histrionics and give him time to get established.
Half of the melt would stop if this team could score more than 50 points. That is how low this bar is right now.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 9:00 am to tigersbb
This team seems to have given up. This is the same team that had chemistry and fight in every game up to and including a big win vs Wake Forest and Arkansas. Hell, they battled and almost won at Kentucky. Something changed after that Kentucky game and they haven’t been the same since. They have been destroyed by every team since…. at A&M, at home vs Florida and Auburn and then of course, the Bama game. Maybe there is something going on in the locker room but this team seems to have quit on their teammates and their coach.
This post was edited on 1/19/23 at 9:02 am
Posted on 1/19/23 at 9:13 am to tigersbb
Don't be posting logical posts especially backed by numbers. It will hurt most folks' brains on here!!
It's "see result, blame coach" over here, be it any sports!!
It's "see result, blame coach" over here, be it any sports!!
This post was edited on 1/19/23 at 9:15 am
Posted on 1/19/23 at 9:17 am to tigersbb
I see you’re point, but it’s based strictly on record. You could see immediate improvement in their play Pearl’s first year
Posted on 1/19/23 at 9:32 am to tigersbb
great post
unfortunately our basketball 'fans' have the maturity and patience of a teenage girl
unfortunately our basketball 'fans' have the maturity and patience of a teenage girl
Posted on 1/19/23 at 10:31 am to tigersbb
quote:
2014–15 Auburn 15–20 4–14 13th
2015–16 Auburn 11–20 5–13 13th
2016–17 Auburn 18–14 7–11 11th
Stop the histrionics and give him time to get established. The schedule gets much lighter in February and things can change in a hurry.
That is very good point and good comparison to use. Which is why McMahon is going to be given 3-4 years minimum
Posted on 1/19/23 at 10:34 am to tigersbb
Bruce has a pulse. Not sure our coach has a pulse.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 11:10 am to tigersbb
It's not so much McMahon's record as it is the way this team plays. We have no fire. The team has taken the personality of the coach, which is essentially none. It speaks to a lack of buy in from the locker room. At this rate, he won't be here past next year
Posted on 1/19/23 at 12:16 pm to tigersbb
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draconian sanctions
Posted on 1/19/23 at 1:00 pm to tigersbb
"HISTRIONICS" would make a good name for an alter.
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