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Grammar Q: Use of commas in lists
Posted on 12/11/22 at 5:06 am
Posted on 12/11/22 at 5:06 am
Which do you use/consider correct?
A) …sex, drugs, and rock and roll.
B) …sex, drugs and rock and roll.
I’ve always used B.
A) …sex, drugs, and rock and roll.
B) …sex, drugs and rock and roll.
I’ve always used B.
Posted on 12/11/22 at 5:12 am to DLauw
Ah. The Oxford comma. I use B but it’s a stylistic matter.
Posted on 12/11/22 at 5:14 am to DLauw
The Oxford comma?
I was taught A in school & B in college and continue to use B today.
I was taught A in school & B in college and continue to use B today.
Posted on 12/11/22 at 5:34 am to DLauw
You pause after the second item on the list, so the comma should be applied.
But both can be used.
But both can be used.
Posted on 12/11/22 at 5:38 am to DLauw
Grammar and punctuation is a white supremacist construct.
Literally Hitler
Literally Hitler
Posted on 12/11/22 at 5:44 am to DLauw
I've always used A. I know B is correct as well, but something about it just feels odd. It feels like the comma just belongs there.
Posted on 12/11/22 at 5:57 am to DLauw
The Queen used the Oxford.
I use the Oxford.
I use the Oxford.
Posted on 12/11/22 at 6:07 am to DLauw
I prefer the Oxford comma in A, but the AP Style in B is fine as long as it doesn't cause confusion. On rare occasions, items 2 and 3 can appear to be an appositive phrase that is descriptive of item 1 rather than a list. Here are some classic extreme examples:
"We messaged the OT mods, DLauw and Cowboyfan89." That might be confusing for some.
"We messaged the OT mods, DLauw and Cowboyfan89." That might be confusing for some.
Posted on 12/11/22 at 6:07 am to DLauw
The comma denotes a pause in how it should be read, so it really depends on how the writer wants it read.
This post was edited on 12/11/22 at 6:08 am
Posted on 12/11/22 at 6:13 am to DLauw
I was taught is was stylistic however in law school I learned it could be massively important in contracts. I use it before "and" and "or" most of the time unless I mean something very different in a contract.
The seminal work for attorneys is A Manual of Style for Contract Drafting which did not use the Oxford comma until a group of drivers sued Oakhurst Dairy about 9 years ago and settled their case for $5,000,000. Had the drafter of the contract used an Oxford comma after the penultimate item in the list and before the word "or" the case would have been worth $0. That was a quite an expensive comma and I have always been glad my contracts prof drilled into us the importance over 20 years before Ken Adams changed the style manual for contracts.
The seminal work for attorneys is A Manual of Style for Contract Drafting which did not use the Oxford comma until a group of drivers sued Oakhurst Dairy about 9 years ago and settled their case for $5,000,000. Had the drafter of the contract used an Oxford comma after the penultimate item in the list and before the word "or" the case would have been worth $0. That was a quite an expensive comma and I have always been glad my contracts prof drilled into us the importance over 20 years before Ken Adams changed the style manual for contracts.
Posted on 12/11/22 at 7:17 am to DLauw
C) sex, drugs and rock ‘n’ roll
Posted on 12/11/22 at 7:41 am to DLauw
tbh if you don’t use the Oxford comma, then I don’t trust you as a human being.
Posted on 12/11/22 at 7:51 am to DLauw
Resumes not using the Oxford comma go straight to the garbage can.
Posted on 12/11/22 at 8:03 am to DLauw
I go with the Oxford comma, and I struggle why this is even an issue. If leaving out the comma regularly causes confusion, and it takes no time to add the comma, just do it for the sake of humanity and one less thing to worry/fight about.
Posted on 12/11/22 at 8:22 am to DLauw
In this example, where the third or final item is singular containing the word 'and' (rock and roll), I would use A.
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