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Grammar Q: Use of commas in lists

Posted on 12/11/22 at 5:06 am
Posted by DLauw
SWLA
Member since Sep 2011
6087 posts
Posted on 12/11/22 at 5:06 am
Which do you use/consider correct?

A) …sex, drugs, and rock and roll.

B) …sex, drugs and rock and roll.

I’ve always used B.
Posted by LSUGrrrl
Frisco, TX
Member since Jul 2007
33845 posts
Posted on 12/11/22 at 5:12 am to
Ah. The Oxford comma. I use B but it’s a stylistic matter.
Posted by whoa
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2017
4707 posts
Posted on 12/11/22 at 5:14 am to
The Oxford comma?

I was taught A in school & B in college and continue to use B today.
Posted by tigerbutt
Deep South
Member since Jun 2006
24667 posts
Posted on 12/11/22 at 5:21 am to
A
Posted by 0x15E
Outer Space
Member since Sep 2020
12918 posts
Posted on 12/11/22 at 5:34 am to
You pause after the second item on the list, so the comma should be applied.

But both can be used.
Posted by Strannix
District 11
Member since Dec 2012
49168 posts
Posted on 12/11/22 at 5:38 am to
Grammar and punctuation is a white supremacist construct.

Literally Hitler
Posted by Cowboyfan89
Member since Sep 2015
12747 posts
Posted on 12/11/22 at 5:44 am to
I've always used A. I know B is correct as well, but something about it just feels odd. It feels like the comma just belongs there.
Posted by TheGooner
Baton Rouwage
Member since Jul 2016
1014 posts
Posted on 12/11/22 at 5:57 am to
The Queen used the Oxford.

I use the Oxford.
Posted by TigerattheU
Member since Aug 2006
3483 posts
Posted on 12/11/22 at 6:07 am to
I prefer the Oxford comma in A, but the AP Style in B is fine as long as it doesn't cause confusion. On rare occasions, items 2 and 3 can appear to be an appositive phrase that is descriptive of item 1 rather than a list. Here are some classic extreme examples:



"We messaged the OT mods, DLauw and Cowboyfan89." That might be confusing for some.
Posted by fr33manator
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2010
125003 posts
Posted on 12/11/22 at 6:07 am to
The comma denotes a pause in how it should be read, so it really depends on how the writer wants it read.
This post was edited on 12/11/22 at 6:08 am
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
26188 posts
Posted on 12/11/22 at 6:13 am to
I was taught is was stylistic however in law school I learned it could be massively important in contracts. I use it before "and" and "or" most of the time unless I mean something very different in a contract.

The seminal work for attorneys is A Manual of Style for Contract Drafting which did not use the Oxford comma until a group of drivers sued Oakhurst Dairy about 9 years ago and settled their case for $5,000,000. Had the drafter of the contract used an Oxford comma after the penultimate item in the list and before the word "or" the case would have been worth $0. That was a quite an expensive comma and I have always been glad my contracts prof drilled into us the importance over 20 years before Ken Adams changed the style manual for contracts.
Posted by ldts
Member since Aug 2015
2677 posts
Posted on 12/11/22 at 6:15 am to
I use A like God intended.
Posted by NPComb
Member since Jan 2019
27570 posts
Posted on 12/11/22 at 6:24 am to
Both are correct.
Posted by liquid rabbit
Boxtard BPB®© emeritus
Member since Mar 2006
61102 posts
Posted on 12/11/22 at 7:17 am to
C) sex, drugs and rock ‘n’ roll
Posted by When in Rome
Telegraph Road
Member since Jan 2011
35587 posts
Posted on 12/11/22 at 7:41 am to
tbh if you don’t use the Oxford comma, then I don’t trust you as a human being.
Posted by roadkill
East Coast, FL
Member since Oct 2008
1873 posts
Posted on 12/11/22 at 7:51 am to
Resumes not using the Oxford comma go straight to the garbage can.
Posted by HDAU
Member since Nov 2014
1584 posts
Posted on 12/11/22 at 8:03 am to
I go with the Oxford comma, and I struggle why this is even an issue. If leaving out the comma regularly causes confusion, and it takes no time to add the comma, just do it for the sake of humanity and one less thing to worry/fight about.
Posted by dkreller
Laffy
Member since Jan 2009
30524 posts
Posted on 12/11/22 at 8:06 am to
A is the only way.
Posted by LSUBogeyMan
Member since Oct 2021
1181 posts
Posted on 12/11/22 at 8:09 am to
A
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
Member since Apr 2010
30565 posts
Posted on 12/11/22 at 8:22 am to
In this example, where the third or final item is singular containing the word 'and' (rock and roll), I would use A.
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