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re: Judge calls election lawsuit ‘baseless,’ orders Kari Lake, Mark Finchem to pay court fees

Posted on 12/2/22 at 11:05 am to
Posted by Rawdawgs
Member since Dec 2007
910 posts
Posted on 12/2/22 at 11:05 am to
quote]Perfectly fine, because they have contingencies in place for this and those voters were offered a chance to have their votes counted regardless of the mechanical failure.[/quote]

Mighty White of you to offer those folks a chance to have their vote counted!
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
SouthEast... you figure it out
Member since Aug 2021
25363 posts
Posted on 12/2/22 at 11:07 am to
… but now isn’t the time to fight.


Cool.
Posted by AUauditor
Georgia
Member since Sep 2004
1033 posts
Posted on 12/2/22 at 11:09 am to
Just pointing out that the article says nothing about the judge being appointed by Obama. However, we all know that when a GOP-appointed judge makes a decision the Democrats and their "media" don't like, the ALWAYS put who appointed in the article to imply bias.
Posted by JJJimmyJimJames
Southern States
Member since May 2020
18496 posts
Posted on 12/2/22 at 11:11 am to
Obama appointed judge John J. Tuchi
Posted by lsunurse
Member since Dec 2005
129044 posts
Posted on 12/2/22 at 11:12 am to
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anyone didn't want to wait, they could have dropped off their ballot in the secure drop box on site which they have used for years.



And for some counties in Arizona….is the only option since they actually do not have on site tabulators. So it’s actually the usual way to vote in person in those AZ counties.
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
18002 posts
Posted on 12/2/22 at 11:12 am to
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how many get discouraged and leave? Maricopa said some 17k votes were potentially affected. We have no way of knowing because they either left in frustration or were sent to another polling place and told they had already voted.

Where did you read/hear that the county suggested up to 17,000 voters were disenfranchised?

I live here and have not heard anything like that. If it's true, it's hard to believe that wouldn't matter to a court.
Posted by Eugene Fullstack
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Member since Nov 2022
82 posts
Posted on 12/2/22 at 11:15 am to
I hold the GOP every bit as liable as the communists who are conducting these thefts. They didn't change the underlying causes and people who stole the 2020 election yet expected different results?

Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
147310 posts
Posted on 12/2/22 at 12:10 pm to
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And when you only campaign to the small population of people who are already gonna vote for you (ignoring that a third of the state is independents) and tell other republican populations in the state they can go to hell…..


You just might not get enough votes
You just described Hobbs, who refused to debate because she knew as SOS she could fix it for her to win. Did you vote for Hobbs?

Enjoy your open border.

You gave your wise nursing advice regarding the covid vax. Essentially & eventually saying only dumb redneck hicks were cautious regarding the covid vax.

Insinuating that they would spread covid to the pristine Karen's by not getting vaxxed.



So I beg a thousand pardons for not thinking your political opinion is any better than NurseKaren's.

Posted by oklahogjr
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Posted on 12/2/22 at 12:17 pm to
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Then rules Maircopa county doesn’t have to hand over evidence.

Would need to see or read more about that ruling. Who was asking for more evidence?

quote:

So basically if there is fraud, which you are admitting can actually happen, you can’t do anything about it.


I'm admitting no such thing. I'm saying if fraud occurs you'll need to bring evidence of it before the court in order to get action. Which doesn't seem unreasonable. There have been instances of fraud captured and charged and out through court successfully previously. Just none that went forward without evidence and because people didn't like the outcome.
Posted by idlewatcher
County Jail
Member since Jan 2012
79350 posts
Posted on 12/2/22 at 12:18 pm to
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Where did you read/hear that the county suggested up to 17,000 voters were disenfranchised?

I live here and have not heard anything like that. If it's true, it's hard to believe that wouldn't matter to a court.


The whole point is you can't quantify how many. There are countless media reports of long lines, tabulators down, people who 'already voted' yet were there to vote in MC. Just like you can't quantify the "mixed" ballots.
Posted by oklahogjr
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Member since Jan 2010
36765 posts
Posted on 12/2/22 at 12:19 pm to
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Yeah I'm not really speaking on the legal proceedings aspect. More along the lines of process. Clearly if the laws state that the current process is good enough, well that would need an update. The murky nature of the process would not fly elsewhere.


The Arizona voting process is actually pretty well documented and publicly available on their government website. It's pretty solid and the more research you do into the process the more you'll see why this sky screaming about voter fraud is all a political show....a very very dangerous one.
Posted by memphisplaya
Member since Jan 2009
85832 posts
Posted on 12/2/22 at 12:26 pm to
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Where did you read/hear that the county suggested up to 17,000 voters were disenfranchised?


LINK

LINK

Now consider this… you’re standing in line and you hear people leaving disgruntled that they couldn’t cast their vote due to machine error. Do you stay and wait and wait or do you leave ? There is no way of knowing so “evidence” of the voter walking away because of tabulation issues isn’t quantifiable.

Posted by TGFN57
Telluride
Member since Jan 2010
6975 posts
Posted on 12/2/22 at 12:28 pm to
If anyone just said eff it, I'm not waiting, then that's their problem.
Posted by memphisplaya
Member since Jan 2009
85832 posts
Posted on 12/2/22 at 12:30 pm to
quote:

The Arizona voting process is actually pretty well documented and publicly available on their government website. It's pretty solid and the more research you do into the process the more you'll see why this sky screaming about voter fraud is all a political show....a very very dangerous one.


Yeah that’s why you had MC citizens at city hall screaming after they certified with obvious issues.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
99143 posts
Posted on 12/2/22 at 12:31 pm to
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If anyone just said eff it, I'm not waiting, then that's their problem


Then if someone's ballot is not received on time, or is missing a required signature or is incorrectly completed, that's their problem too, right?
Posted by LSU12223
Member since Sep 2016
1482 posts
Posted on 12/2/22 at 12:33 pm to
Here’s my take. We need to make a federal law requiring that all states count by hand, require ids , votes counted by independents, eliminate mail in ballots with an exception for students (college in different state) and military personnel. Until then the banana republic will continue to strive
Posted by loogaroo
Welsh
Member since Dec 2005
31028 posts
Posted on 12/2/22 at 12:36 pm to
I’ll say it again.

If this same scenario happened in a black neighborhood for a democrat candidate, the national media would be camped out 24/7, the county officials would need armed guard. Hell…Biden himself would be there.
Posted by lsunurse
Member since Dec 2005
129044 posts
Posted on 12/2/22 at 12:37 pm to
quote:

Then if someone's ballot is not received on time, or is missing a required signature or is incorrectly completed, that's their problem too, right?


Arizona actually has a process for that. We allow several days after an election for curing of ballots that are missing signatures or not filled out appropriately. Its why your contact information must be up to date….so they can contact you if there is an issue and you be given the opportunity to have your ballot corrected and counted.

Step by step of the various processes was told at the Maricopa county meeting on Monday. They went over exactly how the ballots that didn’t go through the tabulators on election day were processed. How the mixed ballots (which only happened at 2 locations and is something they say happens every election and they have a set process to deal with it) were sorted out. Again….step by step. Seems like all the people complaining…if they were that upset….would have stayed for the portion of the meeting where their concerns where actually addressed.

Instead…,majority of those folks left.
This post was edited on 12/2/22 at 12:40 pm
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
50721 posts
Posted on 12/2/22 at 12:41 pm to
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No, the recap is if you are going to challenge election results, then bring some fricking evidence with you.


Nope. I nailed it. The evidence is pervasive and overwhelming.
Posted by lsunurse
Member since Dec 2005
129044 posts
Posted on 12/2/22 at 12:47 pm to
quote:

Yeah that’s why you had MC citizens at city hall screaming



Did you actually watch the meeting? Cause I watched as much as I could on my phone while at work.

Many of the people just sounded like the crazy folks you see on a street corner yelling at no one

One lady just read the Bible for 2 minutes. Another guy going on and on about the battle for good and evil and then threatening the board. Many others just ranted and raved. Props to the board for having to listen to all that and maintain composure.
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