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loogaroo
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Judge calls election lawsuit ‘baseless,’ orders Kari Lake, Mark Finchem to pay court fees

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A U.S. District Court Judge in Phoenix ordered former Arizona GOP candidates Kari Lake and Mark Finchem to pay court costs incurred by Maricopa County to defend against what the judge said was a lawsuit “filled with false narratives.”
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“It is to make clear that the Court,” Judge Tuchi wrote. “Will not condone litigants ignoring the steps that Arizona has already taken toward [elections] and furthering false narratives that baselessly undermine public trust at a time of increasing disinformation about, and distrust in, the democratic process. It is to send a message to those who might file similarly baseless suits in the future.”


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/judge-calls-election-lawsuit-baseless-orders-kari-lake-mark-finchem-to-pay-court-fees/ar-AA14NM3D

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This was all planned. Lake and Finchem tried to prevent it, but the same judge threw that suit out back in August.

Federal judge dismisses Lake, Finchem's lawsuit over vote-counting machines

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A federal judge has tossed out a bid by the top Republican candidates for statewide office to require ballots in this year's election be counted by hand.

In a 21-page ruling Friday, Judge John Tuchi said the claims by gubernatorial hopeful Kari Lake and Mark Finchem, who is running for secretary of state, that machine counting can produce inaccurate results are little more than speculation on their part, backed only by "vague" allegations about electronic voting systems generally. The judge said that precludes their arguments from being heard in federal court.


https://kjzz.org/content/1805275/federal-judge-dismisses-lake-finchems-lawsuit-over-vote-counting-machines


cajunangelle
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If NOT believing that this will all magically just go away if we all gaze at Ron's Top Guv video.... Gives me BDR Derangement Syndrome.

Then I already had my cootie shot, thanks. I'll take some advil until it is over.


BBONDS25
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So they filed lawsuit prior to the election and immediately after? Exactly what the Dems said was the remedy after 2020….and a liberal judge still tossed both cases? What a system.


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But Tuchi said the big problem with the arguments of why machine counts are unreliable is they are based on a lot of "what if" speculations.

"A long chain of hypothetical contingencies must take place for any harm to occur," he wrote. That includes:

The specific voting equipment used in Arizona must have security failures that allow a malicious actor to manipulate vote totals;

Such an actor must actually manipulate an election;

Arizona's specific procedural safeguards must fail to detect the manipulation; and

The manipulation must change the outcome of the election.

"Plaintiffs fail to plausibly show that Arizona's voting equipment even has such security failures," the judge said. "And even if the allegations in plaintiff's complaint were plausible, their alleged injury is not certainly impending."




Basically they want this because hypothetically they could have been cheated but have no evidence suggesting such basically...


Plx1776
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The malfunctions on election day that caused countless people to give up... is baseless.

This shouldn't even be a fraud narrative , or a conspiracy theory narrative. It's a fact that a helluva lot of machines went down on election day. No one knows how many it affected. It's a fact that the people in charge of the election fricked up and indirectly disenfranchised voters. Rather than just fricking look into it.. they just go "duhh, u r is conspirisy thirist!! Baslesss!"


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loogaroo
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What a system.


It's amazing. AZ is North Korea.


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Basically they want this because hypothetically they could have been cheated but have no evidence suggesting such basically...



To recap:

1. No one can hold certification of election results until an investigation is held, even the people charged with certifying election results.

2. No one can challenge election results to get an investigation started, including the people who were harmed by what is very likely fraud.

3. No one can sue to hold election results until investigations are performed.

But let's not let any of that stop the morons who spout off about "free and fair elections."


cajunangelle
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re: Judge calls election lawsuit ‘baseless,’ orders Kari Lake, Mark Finchem to pay court fees
So when they ran out of printer ink for ballots on election day that's just fine.

The SOS controlling this steal being the new Governor; threatening felonies to those that don't certify their cheating. Is nothing to see here move along.


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I'm very familiar with
* industrial chain of custody procedures/audits
* industrial programming and cyber audits
* voting procedures and devices in general and in LA specifically

With that said, the burden of proof is 100% in the hands of the custodians of the hardware and processes, especially when they are your employees (public servants). Auditors ask questions about concerns and they expect full and open discourse. Any stonewalling is flagged heavily and is unacceptable.

The "without proof" narrative is totally ridiculous. The process needs to be wide open and transparent. We should not be expected to just "trust the experts."


oogabooga68
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"I'm a judge, I can basically do anything I want...."
-Law Abiding Citizen....


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loogaroo
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The process needs to be wide open and transparent. We should not be expected to just "trust the experts."


The fox is literally guarding the hen house in AZ.


Macavity92
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'm very familiar with
* industrial chain of custody procedures/audits
* industrial programming and cyber audits
* voting procedures and devices in general and in LA specifically

With that said, the burden of proof is 100% in the hands of the custodians of the hardware and processes, especially when they are your employees (public servants). Auditors ask questions about concerns and they expect full and open discourse. Any stonewalling is flagged heavily and is unacceptable.

The "without proof" narrative is totally ridiculous. The process needs to be wide open and transparent. We should not be expected to just "trust the experts."


The burden of proof will be on the plaintiff in court.

That said, proof is not normally required at this stage. Federal courts use what is called notice pleading. I have not read the opinion but I suspect that it would be overturned on appeal, especially the award of fees and costs.

The suit should have been filed in Arizona state court. Those judges face a retention election every four years and will have to be much more responsive to the electorate than the political party.


cajunangelle
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The fox is literally guarding the hen house in AZ.
Call me crazy but I still think the right wing and the left wing of the uniparty made a deal. The democrats were afraid of Lake, Axelrod spoke out on her.

Kevin gets the gavel if Mastriano, Lake are allowed to be illegally eliminated?

It is the only way that dumb as a box of rocks SOS of AZ Hobbs, and Fetterman won.


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re: Judge calls election lawsuit ‘baseless,’ orders Kari Lake, Mark Finchem to pay court fees
9th Circuit won't help


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udtiger
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But...there are no Obama judges.


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BamaAtl
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So when they ran out of printer ink for ballots on election day that's just fine.


Perfectly fine, because they have contingencies in place for this and those voters were offered a chance to have their votes counted regardless of the mechanical failure.


lsusteve1
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No such thing a "fair & just" anymore, don't kid yourself.



These clowns are pawns


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BBONDS25
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Basically they want this because hypothetically they could have been cheated but have no evidence suggesting such basically...


I disagree, and it certainly had enough merit to get past this point. However ,you bring up a good point. Is the standard you shared the standard being used against Trump?


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loogaroo
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re: Judge calls election lawsuit ‘baseless,’ orders Kari Lake, Mark Finchem to pay court fees
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Call me crazy but I still think the right wing and the left wing of the uniparty made a deal.


Absolutely!

I've been saying AZ is the establishments firewall for national elections. Lake and Finchem threaten that. Lake ran on that platform.


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loogaroo
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Perfectly fine, because they have contingencies in place for this and those voters were offered a chance to have their votes counted regardless of the mechanical failure.


What about the ones that couldn't wait in a 3 hour line?


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