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re: Judging & evaluating QBs is one of the hardest things in sports. . .

Posted on 11/28/22 at 12:47 pm to
Posted by amiznit
Missouri City
Member since Apr 2005
1850 posts
Posted on 11/28/22 at 12:47 pm to
Burrow played pretty poorly in 5-6 games that year. In fact his only two decent games before Arky were against La Tech and MSU.
Posted by RobbBobb
Matt Flynn, BCS MVP
Member since Feb 2007
28092 posts
Posted on 11/28/22 at 12:52 pm to
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Judging & evaluating QBs is one of the hardest things in sports

Its not really

Coaches that can coach develop a QB in reading defenses and getting the ball to his playmakers

Coaches that are unsure of their system want a guy that can run around and bail them out of a bad play call

These type of coaches put their best "athlete" at QB. Its what you see in Jr High, High school, and flag football. That type of player requires little judging or evaluating, because youre putting the ball in his hands every single play. Just win baby!!

You win or lose based on the game that "athlete" has, not on the skill of the total team, or the design of the play calls
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
425879 posts
Posted on 11/28/22 at 12:55 pm to
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Coaches that are unsure of their system want a guy that can run around and bail them out of a bad play call

You need to go back to look at 2019 Burrow highlights and how many were backyard football after the initial read was covered.
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
279537 posts
Posted on 11/28/22 at 12:58 pm to
You should apply for an nfl GM job then. Let them know you think Myles Brennan was awesome
Posted by RobbBobb
Matt Flynn, BCS MVP
Member since Feb 2007
28092 posts
Posted on 11/28/22 at 1:06 pm to
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You should apply for an nfl GM job then. Let them know you think Myles Brennan was awesome

I have 3 offensive coordinators within the family. I listen to them over the dinner table
Posted by Sterling Archer
Austin
Member since Aug 2012
7364 posts
Posted on 11/28/22 at 1:06 pm to
Another example of a QB improving is Jalen Hurts. It’s possible for people to continue improving no matter how many starts they have. Who would have thought someone like Hurts could a candidate for NFL MVP.

Jayden needs to improve and I believe he can. I also want a true competition for the starting job next year. I want to play the best QB we have. I don’t give a shite if that’s Daniels, Nuss, Howard, or even Rickie Collins next year. Who will help us win the most games!
This post was edited on 11/28/22 at 1:19 pm
Posted by RobbBobb
Matt Flynn, BCS MVP
Member since Feb 2007
28092 posts
Posted on 11/28/22 at 1:09 pm to
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You need to go back to look at 2019 Burrow highlights and how many were backyard football after the initial read was covered

I'm sure you thought that was clever right up until the you saw "post submitted". Then you remembered who our coach was in 2019

EdO thought we were running the USC system. Then after that year we were running the Joe Brady system. He had no idea what to look for in a QB, and still ended up with a Heisman winner
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
425879 posts
Posted on 11/28/22 at 1:11 pm to
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I'm sure you thought that was clever right up until the you saw "post submitted". Then you remembered who our coach was in 2019

Joe Brady

O being an idiot is still irrelevant to disproving your point. Both Burrow and the #2 guy in the Heisman played in 1/2 read systems that then went to backyard football. All of this structure you're posting about isn't necessary to have elite offenses that win in CFB.
Posted by Sterling Archer
Austin
Member since Aug 2012
7364 posts
Posted on 11/28/22 at 1:15 pm to
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He’s inferior against talented SEC teams


He’s inconsistent but to flat out say he is inferior is dead wrong. We beat Bama, Ole Miss, and Florida due to very good QB play from him.

Idk if he’ll get better but we’ve seen enough flashes to know the talent is there
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
46652 posts
Posted on 11/28/22 at 1:17 pm to
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You can win a lot of games in college (and the NFL these days) with a run-first, throw 2nd QB. You just have to create a scheme that works


Name the last run first qb to win a national title or super bowl.
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
46652 posts
Posted on 11/28/22 at 1:22 pm to
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this is correct. Burrow had all the 2019 talent on that 2018 team, but it was under Ensminger's pedestrian offensive scheme.

Only when Brady arrived was all that talent unlocked


Exactly... ensminger was using archaic max protect to alleviate a pass rush which just invites more defensice players to the los and shrinks the field for the defense. Brady alleviated pass rush by spreading defenses out and making them defende the entire field. Brady didn't just get better.
Posted by Chalkywhite84
New orleans
Member since Dec 2016
27473 posts
Posted on 11/28/22 at 1:23 pm to
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Our system slid post-Bama and it led to issues.



What does thie even mean?

They have been running the same plays all yr
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
48627 posts
Posted on 11/28/22 at 1:44 pm to
You have a point just look at the NFL. Scoring is at its lowest in 13 years even with every rule continuing to be tweaked in favor of offense. Why, bad QB play coming in from college systems. These players can’t make checks, can’t identify hots, can’t identify fronts and can’t read coverage because they aren’t taught to in college.
Posted by Ignignot
Member since Mar 2009
18823 posts
Posted on 11/28/22 at 1:46 pm to
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Judging & evaluating QBs is one of the hardest things in sports. . .


Not for all the Ascension Parish armchair qb losers, they all think they're pros at evaluating quarterbacks
This post was edited on 11/28/22 at 1:47 pm
Posted by nitwit
Member since Oct 2007
12314 posts
Posted on 11/28/22 at 1:48 pm to
Right, the OP is plainly baseless.
Les Miles judged and evaluated QBs for years and made it look effortless.
Posted by RobbBobb
Matt Flynn, BCS MVP
Member since Feb 2007
28092 posts
Posted on 11/28/22 at 1:53 pm to
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Joe Brady

Joe Brady was not our OC
Joe Brady had nothing to do with judging and evaluating Burrow, in getting him to LSU
Joe Brady is not an OC today
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
279537 posts
Posted on 11/28/22 at 1:57 pm to
There’s a reason that transfer portal has become the best way to win immediately. And that is by plucking QBs with a few years of college development under their belts.

HS to College, College to pro are difficult evaluations and this is proven every year, year after year,
Posted by Fat Bastard
coach, investor, gambler
Member since Mar 2009
73822 posts
Posted on 11/28/22 at 2:01 pm to
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Name the last run first qb to win a national title or super bowl.




ok i will bite

super bowl? NEVER

NCAA?

TOMMIE FRAZIER back in mid 90's.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
48627 posts
Posted on 11/28/22 at 2:02 pm to
That’s incorrect
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
425879 posts
Posted on 11/28/22 at 2:04 pm to
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Name the last run first qb to win a national title or super bowl

We aren't talking about titles here. This is about 2022 and 2023.
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