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Soccer newb question, how did we tie England?

Posted on 11/25/22 at 5:04 pm
Posted by jlovel7
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Posted on 11/25/22 at 5:04 pm
We were supposed to get destroyed by them. Did we stymie them with skill? Did the welsh losing to Iran take a lot of pressure off of England where they played for a draw today? I guess I don’t know all
Of the greater strategy in all of this so I’m just curious.
Posted by Jrv2damac
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Posted on 11/25/22 at 5:06 pm to
Looked like the better team for stretches

Just barely couldn’t punch it in

Posted by 1999
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Posted on 11/25/22 at 5:07 pm to
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Posted by Alyosha
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Posted on 11/25/22 at 5:08 pm to
Our players play in-spite of our coach, than because of our coach.
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Posted on 11/25/22 at 5:10 pm to
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Posted by southpawcock
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Posted on 11/25/22 at 5:10 pm to
The same reasons Saudi Arabia can beat Argentina, Japan can beat Germany, etc.

Although the Japan thing isn’t nearly as far fetched.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
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Posted on 11/25/22 at 5:13 pm to
We outplayed them after the opening fifteen minutes, and really controlled the game til the 70th, at which point England decided they were going to play for a draw.

It was frustrating as we won the midfield battle completely.
Posted by hendersonshands
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Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 11/25/22 at 5:15 pm to
For all of the shite Gregg gets, he had a great game plan today and international soccer is fricky. Teams have poor chemistry so these things happen. Plus England is never as good or as bad as English media tell you they are
Posted by Keys Open Doors
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Posted on 11/25/22 at 5:31 pm to
To keep things simple, England has a very talented side but their coach does not play to their strengths.

In addition, fans are often very knowledgeable about their own team but aren’t nearly as critical of other sides. England has had a bad run of results against good teams in international competition the last few months despite having a ton of talent.

The US is also much better than in the past. Besides our lack of a top center forward, we are honestly a damn good team with guys who could start for many countries.

Americans usually are better than the sum of their parts as well since there aren’t as many huge assholes around.

The weakest part of the team is the head coach who is a good guy but out of his depth. However he was pretty good today, and a lot of the biggest concerns people had (such as Aaron Long playing every game) have not come to fruition.
Posted by Big Daddy Kayne
Member since May 2020
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Posted on 11/25/22 at 5:39 pm to
We actually outplayed them for much of the game, especially our midfield. Our finishing stinks though and we have no striker. Lastly the England manager Southgate is a dreadful tactician. Lots of attacking talent but he coaches not to lose most of the time.
Posted by RandySavage
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Posted on 11/25/22 at 6:39 pm to
1. England was being overrated after scoring 6 on Iran.

2. In soccer the "better team" often doesn't win.

3. Gareth Southgate

4. Reece James is hurt

5. Weston McKennie.
Posted by CelticDog
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 11/25/22 at 7:06 pm to
quote:

Did the welsh losing to Iran take a lot of pressure off of England where they played for a draw today?


they piddled around a lot just running clock. I had decided USA were more fit and would run them down at the end. they got that too. their answer was to pass at the back.

USA almost won anyway. hit the frame. I had the sense England would have played at another level if need be.
Posted by Keys Open Doors
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Posted on 11/25/22 at 7:57 pm to
I would say that while England is clearly better on paper, the US was actually the better team today.
Posted by lionward2014
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Posted on 11/25/22 at 8:03 pm to
We aren’t as bad as the second half of the Wales games and some of the leading up friendlies made us look. Tyler Adams absolutely bossed them, and I thought as a unit the back line did a great job as a whole. When Weston is on there’s a reason he’s a regular for a top team in a top 5 league, and he was on until he got tired.
Posted by dawgfan24348
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 11/25/22 at 9:08 pm to
Adding onto this, I know that we’re a super young team meaning that we should only mature and get better for 2026. Assuming our ceiling is likely the first round of the knockout stage now, how much better could or should we be in 2026 when we’re hosting?
Posted by Broski
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 11/25/22 at 9:10 pm to
quote:

Assuming our ceiling is likely the first round of the knockout stage now, how much better could or should we be in 2026 when we’re hosting?


I'd say absolute floor of expectations should be quarterfinals, but also we have no idea what the new format with the expanded field will entail.
Posted by hendersonshands
Univ. of Louisiana Ragin Cajuns
Member since Oct 2007
160203 posts
Posted on 11/25/22 at 9:10 pm to
Impossible to tell. 4 years is an eternity in soccer years but but we should be much improved. We'll have to improve at center back and center forward. If we find guys who are real guys at those spots, we can make a deep run in America.
Posted by rt3
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Posted on 11/25/22 at 9:13 pm to
quote:

Adding onto this, I know that we’re a super young team meaning that we should only mature and get better for 2026. Assuming our ceiling is likely the first round of the knockout stage now, how much better could or should we be in 2026 when we’re hosting?

in 2026... does just 1 country get the host auto-bid or does US, Canada, & Mexico all get host auto-bids?

also...does that impact how we handle the qualifying/run up to World Cup 2026?
Posted by Broski
Member since Jun 2011
78751 posts
Posted on 11/25/22 at 9:14 pm to
quote:

in 2026... does just 1 country get the host auto-bid or does US, Canada, & Mexico all get host auto-bids?



Nothing has been officially announced, but everyone is assuming all three will get autobids.

quote:

also...does that impact how we handle the qualifying/run up to World Cup 2026?



We won't be playing in qualifying.
Posted by jlovel7
NOT Louisiana
Member since Aug 2014
23715 posts
Posted on 11/25/22 at 9:15 pm to
They probably will give all 3 auto bids without a sweat since 2/3 make the word cup regularly enough and are fanbases that travel and Canada made it this year indicating their program is in a good place.

Also they’re expanding to 48 teams so baking two extra host spots into that is easy for many to stomach without feeling like any more deserving team might be shut out.
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