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re: Ukraine’s president Zelensky: we are moving forward and we are ready for peace
Posted on 11/14/22 at 5:05 pm to Mickey Goldmill
Posted on 11/14/22 at 5:05 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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Because when you are in a position of strength you have leverage and can actually get what you want out of a deal. Early on when they had "peace talks" their only option was basically surrender their country.
If they're in the position of strength that we're told they're in (which is one in which they hold all the cards) then there's no need for negotiation. In fact, I seem to recall the "Ukraine at all costs" folks saying that even hinting at a peace negotiation was tantamount to high treason.
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Posted on 11/14/22 at 5:06 pm to stout
Peace as soon as Russia removes every troop and starts writing checks to rebuild all the shite they blew up because Putin is a maniac.
Posted on 11/14/22 at 5:08 pm to upgrayedd
Sure there is which is the same reason Russia tried to negotiate early on when they had the momentum. You try to end it all when you have the advantage. "Get out of our country and we will let your troops here leave peacefully."
Posted on 11/14/22 at 5:10 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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Sure there is which is the same reason Russia tried to negotiate early on when they had the momentum. You try to end it all when you have the advantage. "Get out of our country and we will let your troops here leave peacefully."
What are they going to be negotiating for besides a complete and total withdrawal including ceding back territories prior to 2014?
We have been to told by the die hard Ukraine supporters that those are the only acceptable and patriotic terms.
Edit: like this guy
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Peace as soon as Russia removes every troop and starts writing checks to rebuild all the shite they blew up because Putin is a maniac.
This post was edited on 11/14/22 at 5:11 pm
Posted on 11/14/22 at 5:17 pm to upgrayedd
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What are they going to be negotiating for besides a complete and total withdrawal including ceding back territories prior to 2014?
That's what it will be. They may 'concede' the areas from 2014 I guess.
Posted on 11/14/22 at 5:19 pm to stout
Well, Ukraine did just take back Kherson. So yeah, Ukraine is doing much better than expected.
frick Putin.
frick Putin.
Posted on 11/14/22 at 5:23 pm to TigerAttorney
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Strategic withdrawal by Russia
Posted on 11/14/22 at 5:27 pm to Chazreinhold
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He knows the GOP is taking the House, $ will dry up.
wow, you havent been paying attention at all have you, rinos were the first ones in line begging to send them billions. if anything they get more money now after midterms
Posted on 11/14/22 at 5:35 pm to stout
Ukraine whipping that arse. Not sure why this board support Russia.
Posted on 11/14/22 at 5:39 pm to stuckintexas
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Money laundering scheme exposed = no more "aid" =
Hammer meet nail. On the head.
Posted on 11/14/22 at 5:48 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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That's what it will be. They may 'concede' the areas from 2014 I guess.
You're smoking crack
Posted on 11/14/22 at 5:49 pm to keakar
quote:Lindsey Graham would love to watch your children starve in the street if it meant he could send more money to Ukraine
wow, you havent been paying attention at all have you, rinos were the first ones in line begging to send them billions. if anything they get more money now after midterms
Posted on 11/14/22 at 6:12 pm to stout
Well considering the 1st part of their money laundering scheme has been exposed, it probably time to hang it up.
Posted on 11/14/22 at 6:19 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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Wouldn’t you rather attempt to negotiate a cease fire/peace agreement from a position of strength rather than while you’re getting overrun?
I'm out of the loop, is Ukraine tapping on the doorstep of Russia?
Posted on 11/14/22 at 6:29 pm to NPComb
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I'm out of the loop, is Ukraine tapping on the doorstep of Russia?
I haven’t been following super closely, but I don’t think it’s a stretch to say they are in a stronger position now than a few months ago. They just retook Kherson.
Posted on 11/14/22 at 6:43 pm to stout
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But I thought they had Putin by the balls?
Election over FTX busted.
Go figure.
Anyone passing attention?
Posted on 11/14/22 at 6:50 pm to jcaz
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It’s this simple:
1. Agree to never join NATO or allow NATO forces to be stationed in Ukraine
2. Cede Crimea for good
3. Allow Donetsk and Luhansk territories to be autonomous but still technically Ukrainian
All of this was likely possible without the first shot being fired, taxpayer dollar being sent, or drop of blood from soldiers and innocent people being spilled.
These frickers don't care and yet we have a populous that will want to fight you should you state the above.
Posted on 11/14/22 at 7:01 pm to Chazreinhold
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What a little F'ing Worm. There should have been peace talks Months ago.
Sorry your blowbuddy, Putin, had to get his arse kicked first.
Posted on 11/14/22 at 7:02 pm to jcaz
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It’s this simple:
1. Agree to never join NATO or allow NATO forces to be stationed in Ukraine
2. Cede Crimea for good
3. Allow Donetsk and Luhansk territories to be autonomous but still technically Ukrainian
It gives Putin the ability to claim victory with minimal impact to the status quo prior to February
I hope to see better terms than that. I’m okay with #s 2 and 3, but we should only concede NATO membership for a few years.
Russia lost the war, make them take harsher terms.
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