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El Salvador’s $300 Million Bitcoin ‘Revolution’ Is Failing Miserably

Posted on 11/7/22 at 9:57 pm
Posted by hikingfan
Member since Jun 2013
1757 posts
Posted on 11/7/22 at 9:57 pm
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Everyone knows someone who cashed in a retirement account or stimulus check to buy crypto. Bukele did it with El Salvador’s treasury. In September 2021 the country became the first to declare Bitcoin a legal currency. Bukele gave $30 in Bitcoin to each citizen, plunked down Bitcoin ATMs in every town plaza and told businesses to accept Bitcoin as payment. He also used government funds to buy $100 million worth, mostly when prices were peaking, then trolled critics by tweeting that he’d done it on his phone, in the bathroom, naked. And with the country on the edge of a debt crisis, Bukele told off international creditors, saying he’d solve El Salvador’s financial problems with Bitcoin instead. “#Bitcoin is FU money!” he tweeted.

A year in, it’s clear the move is failing. Almost no one in the country is using Bitcoin, and the few who bought after Bukele made it legal tender would’ve lost big: Bitcoin has dropped 61% since September 2021. In a country where many live on less than $10 a day, he spent hundreds of millions of dollars to turn himself into a crypto influencer just in time for the crypto crash.

Behind the debacle was a small group of evangelists from wealthier countries—startup CEOs, influencers, grifters. They enlisted an entire country in a publicity stunt and cheered on Bukele even as he ordered mass arrests and packed the Supreme Court, which subsequently ruled he could run for reelection despite a constitutional ban. Salvadorans are still dealing with the consequences.

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Posted by UltimaParadox
North Carolina
Member since Nov 2008
51571 posts
Posted on 11/7/22 at 10:06 pm to
Hopefully he held his coins on big exchanges like FTX . That way when they overthrow the government his funds will be SAFU

This post was edited on 11/7/22 at 10:13 pm
Posted by tenderfoot tigah
Red Stick
Member since Sep 2004
11519 posts
Posted on 11/8/22 at 3:17 am to
It's not like other currencies are doing much better vs the dollar.
Posted by Upperdecker
St. George, LA
Member since Nov 2014
32761 posts
Posted on 11/8/22 at 6:12 am to
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packed the Supreme Court, which subsequently ruled he could run for reelection despite a constitutional ban

Defying the constitution always has consequences. US Democrats next to figure that one out (though they’ll blame it on Republicans)
Posted by SlidellCajun
Slidell la
Member since May 2019
16055 posts
Posted on 11/8/22 at 6:15 am to
It was predictable

Why would I accept a currency for my product over a more stable currency?
If I’m selling my car for 20,000 and I accept one bitcoin in the morning then go to deposit the bitcoin into a bank after lunch and find that it’s only worth 19,000? I just lost $1,000 in a few hours!!!

It’s insane.

Question what is behind these currencies.
There is interest in seeing government currencies fail. Why?
Maybe there are some that would love to bring the US down….
Posted by MrSpock
Member since Sep 2015
5072 posts
Posted on 11/8/22 at 6:33 am to
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Why would I accept a currency for my product over a more stable currency?



Oh I don't know.



Posted by I Love Bama
Alabama
Member since Nov 2007
38423 posts
Posted on 11/8/22 at 8:03 am to
:drops the microphone:
Posted by SlidellCajun
Slidell la
Member since May 2019
16055 posts
Posted on 11/8/22 at 9:01 am to
Purchasing power drops for all currencies and bitcoins supposed hedge against inflation has been proven to be false.

Do you accept bitcoin as a currency for things you sell?
Posted by I Love Bama
Alabama
Member since Nov 2007
38423 posts
Posted on 11/8/22 at 9:12 am to
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bitcoins supposed hedge against inflation has been proven to be false.


People keep saying this but since the M2 money supply went up, Bitcoin went ballistic.

When the printing starts again, she will go ballistic again. Combine that with macro environment and a new halfening coming up and Bitcoin is pushing new highs in the next few years.

I am buying what I can afford at these levels.
Posted by KillTheGophers
Member since Jan 2016
6748 posts
Posted on 11/8/22 at 9:25 am to
Posted by JayDeerTay84
Texas
Member since May 2013
9956 posts
Posted on 11/8/22 at 10:16 am to
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Do you accept bitcoin as a currency for things you sell?


I do on Facebook marketplace all the time.

But anyway, I think you and others look at this wrong.

There is no BTC monetary policy or group. It just is. Unlike fiat, which is perpetually manipulated in many more ways, BTC just works. Yes, it is more volatile , it that is more so due to marketcap and adoption. It will slow, as it has, over time.

Also for another way to look at it, BTC is young. The US dollar is old. I think it something we are even comparing the two in such a way now.

Future is bright.
This post was edited on 11/8/22 at 10:18 am
Posted by JayDeerTay84
Texas
Member since May 2013
9956 posts
Posted on 11/8/22 at 10:22 am to
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There is interest in seeing government currencies fail. Why?


This is a false assumption. I have no reason to desire the US dollar to fail.

I would rephrase this to say the US monetary policy is working to fail me. It does not serve me as it served those before me and it continues to get worse.
This post was edited on 11/8/22 at 10:24 am
Posted by SlidellCajun
Slidell la
Member since May 2019
16055 posts
Posted on 11/8/22 at 10:44 am to
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Also for another way to look at it, BTC is young. The US dollar is old. I think it something we are even comparing the two in such a way now. Future is bright.


Is dollar is old, tried and proven to hold up better than any other currency in the planet. It’s age is more reason to use than not use.

Bitcoin is new and that is a big part of the reason why i’d stay away from high trading it and using it as a currency.

It’s far to volatile. Part of the reason for its volatility is the lack of an intrinsic value and that is largely because it’s not accepted widely enough to provide that value.

And then there’s the fact that those who trade it or even accept it for currency end up exchanging it for US dollars. Why is that? Answer: because the US dollar is safer
Posted by JayDeerTay84
Texas
Member since May 2013
9956 posts
Posted on 11/8/22 at 11:01 am to
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And then there’s the fact that those who trade it or even accept it for currency end up exchanging it for US dollars. Why is that? Answer: because the US dollar is safer


No one denies this in America, although this is becoming less accurate. To put it in some perspective closed to home, we were just a few judges opinions away from being forced to take a shot to go earn a living. The same government you put your faith in for "currency".

Where your argument falls flat are countries that are not stable as the US. Which is billions of people btw.

It is to this degree that I think most of you who are anti BTC/Crypto poopoo its use cases because you are stuck here in America with an easy life. Billions upon billions of people are FORCED to use a currency backed by corruption at a scale none of us can really imagine. Crypto frees these people.



Posted by JayDeerTay84
Texas
Member since May 2013
9956 posts
Posted on 11/8/22 at 11:03 am to
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Part of the reason for its volatility is the lack of an intrinsic value and that is largely because it’s not accepted widely enough to provide that value.


It provides the exact value I wish to trade it for if I choose to do so. Its instant and a far better and quicker means than any banking system we have.

You get stuck on the "current price" and seeming forget the network and technology behind it.

And to be clear, it does have intrinsic value in multiple forms. Unlike Fiat.
This post was edited on 11/8/22 at 11:13 am
Posted by brdrone
wanderer
Member since Jul 2016
209 posts
Posted on 11/8/22 at 2:29 pm to
The bear is brutal. The market cycle is real. The naked shorts are criminal(40M+ BTC is naked shorted). And you should stick to hiking!
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
21420 posts
Posted on 11/8/22 at 2:50 pm to
It is a speculative wealth transfer means. Nothing more.
Posted by saintforlife1
Member since Jul 2012
1374 posts
Posted on 11/9/22 at 6:22 pm to
BREAKING: Binance has reached an agreement to acquire embattled nation El Salvador and is rebranding to El Binanco
Posted by BottomlandBrew
Member since Aug 2010
29308 posts
Posted on 11/9/22 at 6:39 pm to
Gdp of El Salvador is $28 billion. I wonder how much you can buy a country for? Any M&A experts know the multiplier on a 3rd world GDP?
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35373 posts
Posted on 11/9/22 at 7:21 pm to
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Gdp of El Salvador is $28 billion. I wonder how much you can buy a country for? Any M&A experts know the multiplier on a 3rd world GDP?
Typically the P-GDP ratio is 30x, but it’s anybody’s guess with rising interest rates.
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