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re: Tweet about as accurate as can be regarding Kelly to LSU

Posted on 10/28/22 at 10:27 am to
Posted by gumbeaux
Member since Jun 2004
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Posted on 10/28/22 at 10:27 am to
A Tennessee fan was sitting in front of me at the game in Tiger Stadium. He was asking me if I was concerned about Brian Kelly not being from the south and if he would be a cultural fit and be successful.

I reminded him where Nick Saban came from and he didn’t say anything else.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
26936 posts
Posted on 10/28/22 at 10:27 am to
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Saban has been getting elite talent away from La. For all but a few years he’s been gone.


Saban’s recruiting success in Louisiana is extremely overrated.
Posted by EvrybodysAllAmerican
Member since Apr 2013
11201 posts
Posted on 10/28/22 at 10:44 am to
True,Dinardo set the table for Saban. Not taking away from him. He did bring back the magic and all that, But Saban elevated the program to new heights and showed it could be done here. Saban is the one that pushed for facilities upgrades and convinced the administration they had to spend money to make money. Emmert was a big part of that as well.
Posted by Salviati
Member since Apr 2006
5581 posts
Posted on 10/28/22 at 10:46 am to
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It’s pretty simple. Look at the state of LSUs program before saban was hired and look at what all it has achieved since then. The program was at its lowest point in its history, all the top talent in the state were mostly going elsewhere,
Dinardo took over LSU in December 1994. In 1995, LSU went 7-4-1. In 1996, LSU went 10-2. In 1997, LSU went 9-3 and beat Saban in the Independence Bowl.

Dinardo woke the sleeping giant. He got LSU into the Top Ten in 1997 and 1998.

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Then he comes along and changes everything. He re-established recruiting ties in the state, we won a natty within 4 years.
Dinardo brought in Faulk and a host of players that ended up winning a NC under Saban.

Dinardo had issues, but a big problem he had was that LSU was too fricking cheap to play football at an elite level.

Mark Emmert saw Dinardo's success and the reasons for his failures. He decided it was time for LSU to play big-time football rather than skimping nickels and dimes.

He offered Saban a five-year contract for $1.2 million annually. Only three other coaches in the country were getting paid a million per year: Bowden, Spurrier, and Fulmer.

By contrast, Dinardo's buyout for FOUR contract years was LESS than ONE year of Saban's contract. Dinardo's buyout was $600,000 for the four years of $150,000 salary. Saban's salary was $1.2 million.

LSU (Emmert) decided to to play at an elite level in 1999. Then Emmert hired Saban. Saban did not cause the change to play at an elite level. To the contrary, Saban was a result of that change. He was the coach who received the benefit of that change in direction.

Emmert, Bertman, the Board, and the boosters built the facilities need to play at an elite level.

Saban did NOT lay the foundation for this program to keep being successful. We are NOT a powerhouse program now because of Saban.

The LSU administration changed directions before Saban arrived.

Saban was the beneficiary of that change, NOT the cause of it.

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Growing up in the 90s and watching all those garbage teams, if you would have told me the success lsu would have after the year 2000 I would’ve thought you were nuts.
Emmert, the Board, and the boosters watched Dinardo rebuild LSU recruiting and the LSU program. Where were you? They decided to play big-money football, and open up the budget and pay a coach 8 times more than the previous coach.

Saban was in the right place at the right time. LSU was finally ready to spend. Saban benefitted from it, but he did no cause it.
Posted by jbird7
Central FL
Member since Jul 2020
5256 posts
Posted on 10/28/22 at 10:52 am to
Posted by wish i was tebow
The Golf Board
Member since Feb 2009
46121 posts
Posted on 10/28/22 at 10:53 am to
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A Tennessee fan was sitting in front of me at the game in Tiger Stadium. He was asking me if I was concerned about Brian Kelly not being from the south and if he would be a cultural fit and be successful.


It’s really weird how everyone was/is so worried about it. Like we speak a different language down here or only want someone that sounds dumb. LSU fans just want to compete for SEC and National championships
Posted by joemc42
Nashville
Member since Jun 2010
60 posts
Posted on 10/28/22 at 11:01 am to
He didn't "frick LSU over",idiot.You people that still want to believe that are so one minded.Ask Skip if that's what he did.Skip told him he really had to take the Dolphins job.
Posted by Salviati
Member since Apr 2006
5581 posts
Posted on 10/28/22 at 11:03 am to
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True,Dinardo set the table for Saban. Not taking away from him. He did bring back the magic and all that,


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But Saban elevated the program to new heights and showed it could be done here.

No. Like you just said, Dinardo showed it could be done here. Dinardo got Louisiana recruits to sign with LSU. He had LSU in the Top Ten.

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Saban is the one that pushed for facilities upgrades and convinced the administration they had to spend money to make money.

Are you completely unaware of what actually happened? Emmert, Bertman, the Board, and the boosters had already decided to play big-money football. When they hired Saban, they gave Saban 8 times more per year than they paid Dinardo. Prior to hiring Saban, LSU was willing to spend money to make money. LSU was willing to pay for new facilities.
Posted by clamdip
Rocky Mountain High
Member since Sep 2004
17950 posts
Posted on 10/28/22 at 11:05 am to
The cultural fit narrative is not only infuriating, it's idiotic. It started with the Coach 0 'talks like us' crowd and then idiots like Finebaum giving it credence.

You know a good culture? One that has accountability and attention to detail in pursuit of excellence.

Dietzel, Saban, and Miles were all from the north. Just win, baby.
This post was edited on 10/28/22 at 11:06 am
Posted by Bmath
LA
Member since Aug 2010
18681 posts
Posted on 10/28/22 at 11:06 am to
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Dinardo brought in Faulk


Faulk said it himself, his girlfriend having a baby kept him home at LSU.
Posted by EvrybodysAllAmerican
Member since Apr 2013
11201 posts
Posted on 10/28/22 at 11:11 am to
Cute gifs. Dinardo lost his job because he lost his coordinators. He lost his coordinators because LSU admin were still cheapskates. Sure he got us into the top 10. So did Mike Archer. But those guys couldnt sustain success. And they didnt get us to the very top tier like Saban did. The “process” that everyone talks about is building a foundation for success. Miles benefitted greatly from that and whoever follows Saban at Alabama will likely win a championship just on what he has built, regardless of who it is.

Simple question: If Saban had bombed at LSU, finished at the bottom and been fired after 4 years, what would things have looked like at LSU over the next 2 decades?
This post was edited on 10/28/22 at 4:28 pm
Posted by Tigerbiscuits
Mid-City
Member since Nov 2011
991 posts
Posted on 10/28/22 at 11:16 am to
If Saban is responsible for 15 years of continued success since his departure, how do you explain two other 'imbecile' coaches winning championships. LSU surely doesn't succeed in spite of it's leadership, just look at the past two years. Give credit to the history of success as well as the doldrums experienced to those who deserve it, the ones who were present. No one's won anything off Saban since 2005, maybe.
Posted by jbird7
Central FL
Member since Jul 2020
5256 posts
Posted on 10/28/22 at 11:20 am to
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Like you just said, Dinardo showed it could be done here


What did he show? That you could Win the peach bow or independence bowl here? Yeah he got us in the top 10 in consecutive seasons, but both those years lsu failed to Finish in the top 10.

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Are you completely unaware of what actually happened? Emmert, Bertman, the Board, and the boosters had already decided to play big-money footbal


So do you think had the administration kept Dinardo after deciding to play big money ball that LSU still would’ve won the SEC in 2001?
This post was edited on 10/28/22 at 11:26 am
Posted by Hot Carl
Prayers up for 3
Member since Dec 2005
59313 posts
Posted on 10/28/22 at 1:47 pm to
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In 1997, LSU went 9-3 and beat Saban in the Independence Bowl.


This is twice you’ve made this specific mistake in this thread. Hard to take the rest of your posts all that seriously when you are coming from such an arrogant “I am right, you are wrong” place. There’s room for nuance. They both raised the national perception of the program.

Btw, it was ‘95 when we beat Saban and Michigan State in the Indy Bowl. It was Notre Dame we beat in ‘97. You want to talk about a ‘97 accomplishment of Dinardo’s that underscores the point you’re trying to make, I’d go with the win over #1 Florida and Faulk being on the cover of Sports Illustrated the next week. But that’s just me.
Posted by dstone12
Texan
Member since Jan 2007
30468 posts
Posted on 11/6/22 at 7:10 pm to
Bump
Posted by genuineLSUtiger
Nashville
Member since Sep 2005
73017 posts
Posted on 11/6/22 at 7:24 pm to
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how do you explain two other 'imbecile' coaches winning championships


Miles isn’t the imbecile people make him out to be. He ran a solid, professional program for 12 years with sustained success. Most of that perception was due to his quirky personality.
Posted by tigerinthebueche
Member since Oct 2010
36791 posts
Posted on 11/6/22 at 7:27 pm to
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One of the absolute biggest wiffs in modern “journalism.


Pump the brakes kid. Is it bad? Definitely.

But given the last three (oh hell, ten years) ? Not even close to a big whiff for the incompetents who
Make up the media.
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