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re: The Perkins Sack and Forced Fumble Call

Posted on 10/16/22 at 1:03 pm to
Posted by EasterEgg
New Orleans Metro
Member since Sep 2018
4810 posts
Posted on 10/16/22 at 1:03 pm to
Hand was moving forward. They got it right after review. Unfortunately...
Posted by Shaq4prez
The Deaf Dome
Member since Oct 2021
3053 posts
Posted on 10/16/22 at 1:03 pm to
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It was close…looked like it could go either way depending on the angle…I personally thought the hand was moving forward


Exactly. You thought. Call on the field was a fumble. No definitive evidence to suggest otherwise

Call on the field should have stood. Refs we're inexcusable last night in the second half, esp the 4th
Posted by RockChalkTiger
A Little Bit South of Saskatoon
Member since May 2009
10603 posts
Posted on 10/16/22 at 1:03 pm to
SEC getting like NFL trying to keep audience engaged late for benefit of advertisers.
$$$ talks!
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
67794 posts
Posted on 10/16/22 at 1:04 pm to
It’s hard to see but the hand was moving forward and Perkins punched it out before it was released. But the motion is what they look at and the hand was coming forwardJUUUUST before contact.
Posted by DocBugbear
Arlington, Texas
Member since Mar 2008
7969 posts
Posted on 10/16/22 at 1:23 pm to
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What's funny is either the next play or the play after was a backwards screen pass that skipped off the ground and the refs blew it dead. I couldn't believe what I was watching
Are you sure on that? I didn't hear any early whistles. The running back picked the ball up and stood there. Two LSU defenders approached and stood there. I think it was finally blown dead on forward progress. I think Florida lost 5 yards on the play.

From the play by play:

2nd & 15 at FLA 32
(1:17 - 4th) Montrell Johnson Jr. run for a loss of 5 yards to the Fla 27

Edit: Can anybody confirm this?
This post was edited on 10/16/22 at 1:29 pm
Posted by nicholastiger
Member since Jan 2004
43804 posts
Posted on 10/16/22 at 4:06 pm to
We need officials with no sec team affiliations
Posted by glorymanutdtiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2012
3901 posts
Posted on 10/16/22 at 4:11 pm to
The ball never went beyond the throwing line. Even if it was a forward moving arm, it should have been considered a backward pass at worst. That results in turnover.

I cannot believe we have refs that do not know the rules
Posted by Bigkat80
VicksBurg MS Originally Bossier Cit
Member since Jun 2011
271 posts
Posted on 10/16/22 at 4:31 pm to
Text book roughing. he drove him to the ground with all his body weight.
Posted by mikelbr
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2008
47612 posts
Posted on 10/16/22 at 4:40 pm to
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It was close…looked like it could go either way depending on the angle…I personally thought the hand was moving forward

At the game and it looked like a good play and turnover. It was too close to overturn in my opinion.

Perkins was a man possessed last night when we started using him to spy 15.
Posted by icoczar
birmingham
Member since Sep 2005
1033 posts
Posted on 10/16/22 at 5:20 pm to
Wrong
Posted by Yeti_Chaser
Member since Nov 2017
7803 posts
Posted on 10/16/22 at 6:14 pm to
Between that and the Brian Thomas catch that wasn't, Florida can't complain too much about the roughing the passer. All 3 were BS
Posted by CDawson
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2017
16528 posts
Posted on 10/16/22 at 6:53 pm to
So close you’d think you’d have to go with the call on the field.
Posted by 00 Tech Grad
My homestead, AL
Member since Nov 2009
10829 posts
Posted on 10/16/22 at 7:01 pm to
I watched this game with a friend who is a Bama fan, and he told me he enjoyed watching Harold Perkins more than he enjoyed any part of the Bama game.

He said Perkins looks like the next TM7 in terms of ball instincts as much as he didn’t want to admit it lol

He also said that was definitely a strip.
This post was edited on 10/16/22 at 7:04 pm
Posted by Scoob
Near Exxon
Member since Jun 2009
20582 posts
Posted on 10/16/22 at 7:29 pm to
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The ball never went beyond the throwing line. Even if it was a forward moving arm, it should have been considered a backward pass at worst. That results in turnover.

I cannot believe we have refs that do not know the rules

If we're going with the arm/hand in passing motion, my best guess is they called it a deflected pass. IE, the arm was going forward when Perkins struck the ball.



That really, really pushes the border of fumble vs deflection. I was of the opinion that it's NOT a deflection, until the ball is released ... usually the defender hits the QB and causes the pass to go off target, or weakly.

I don't think I've ever seen this in football, it looks more like something in basketball- a block/strip, where the defender takes the ball, and the shooter continues his motion empty-handed.
And I suppose, the question that applies is this: is that a steal, or a block?
The football translation, I assume, is a "block" is incomplete, and a "steal" is a fumble/turnover.
Posted by BiggaGeauxrilla
North Louisiana
Member since Dec 2017
1541 posts
Posted on 10/16/22 at 7:31 pm to
Hand without the ball?
Posted by saray
Member since May 2014
460 posts
Posted on 10/16/22 at 7:34 pm to
hey guys--- an indisputable point --did you watch the florida QB and team they thought it was a fumble and so did the florida crowd as they started leaving in mass
Posted by deepdeltatiger
Myrtle Grove
Member since Aug 2007
935 posts
Posted on 10/16/22 at 7:47 pm to
And they were both huge calls going against us.
Posted by LSU9102
West of the Mississippi
Member since Mar 2007
2477 posts
Posted on 10/16/22 at 8:29 pm to
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He also said that was definitely a strip.


This is what it was. Perk rejected the ball.
Richardson was going for the dunk without the ball.

Live call was fumble. It was a fumble.
Posted by West Bank Dan
Atlanta
Member since Jan 2010
751 posts
Posted on 10/16/22 at 8:34 pm to
This is correct. It is only a forward pass if he releases the ball and we caused a fumble before he could do that. But, hey, we got the roughing the QB call later…
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