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re: Why isn't a peace agreement an option with Ukraine
Posted on 9/22/22 at 9:22 am to Vacherie Saint
Posted on 9/22/22 at 9:22 am to Vacherie Saint
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And no one is trying to stop them
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Posted on 9/22/22 at 9:24 am to burger bearcat
They love that money! Corrupt governments love to pay them to keep shite quiet.
Posted on 9/22/22 at 9:25 am to burger bearcat
frick Russia. Death to Putin.
Posted on 9/22/22 at 9:41 am to N.O. via West-Cal
There was talk of Russia trying to negotiate early on in the war, it was one of the few things that were universally reported on from all sides.
You can blame Russia for invading in the first place, but the topic is about why there isn't a peace agreement.
Zelensky using "down to the last man" tactics would make sense if we've promised him military reinforcements, and he's just trying to buy time. We've told him we wouldn't be sending military reinforcements. The other western countries also told him they won't send military reinforcements. So Ukraine is basically alone in an unwinnable situation.
Ukraine doesn't have the power to forcibly expel Russia. They've only the power to slightly teeter control back and forth within Ukraine.
You can blame Russia for invading in the first place, but the topic is about why there isn't a peace agreement.
Zelensky using "down to the last man" tactics would make sense if we've promised him military reinforcements, and he's just trying to buy time. We've told him we wouldn't be sending military reinforcements. The other western countries also told him they won't send military reinforcements. So Ukraine is basically alone in an unwinnable situation.
Ukraine doesn't have the power to forcibly expel Russia. They've only the power to slightly teeter control back and forth within Ukraine.
This post was edited on 9/22/22 at 9:59 am
Posted on 9/22/22 at 10:30 am to Slingscode
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seems everyone was looking for Zekensky to cut a deal.
Everyone except the Biden administration and NATO. Zelenski said Biden refuses to even talk to him until AFTER Russia invaded.
Posted on 9/22/22 at 10:33 am to burger bearcat
quote:What do you mean it's not an option?
Why isn't a peace agreement an option with Ukraine
I'd imagine if Putin were to agree to leave and not demand any parts of the Ukraine country be turned over to Russia, Ukraine would agree to that.
You're asking why they aren't agreeing to a Peace Agreement AND give away large portions of their country.
Posted on 9/22/22 at 10:33 am to burger bearcat
Russia's goal is to conquer Ukraine and has been that for almost 20 years now.
How can Ukraine come to peace with a lying sack of shiite like Putin?
What say you alt news sheeple herd politards?
How can Ukraine come to peace with a lying sack of shiite like Putin?
What say you alt news sheeple herd politards?
Posted on 9/22/22 at 10:34 am to Plx1776
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There was talk of Russia trying to negotiate early on in the war, it was one of the few things that were universally reported on from all sides.
But the terms are relevant to any negotiation. What were the terms then? If they were one-sided, then the opposing party has no reason to agree to them.
Posted on 9/22/22 at 10:35 am to burger bearcat
quote:What good would that do? You know that means absolutely nothing. Pretty sure Russia is breaking a pact right now with the current war, so why would you think for 1 second that is a good idea and accomplishes anything?
And then Russia needs to pull out and sign a Pact respecting the sovereignty of Ukraine.
quote:Why does Russia get to dictate whether Ukraine joins NATO? Especially given, ya know, the war Russia just started with Ukraine.
Are we sure about that? Give up the Donbass and sign a pact agreeing not join NATO.
This post was edited on 9/22/22 at 10:38 am
Posted on 9/22/22 at 10:39 am to Plx1776
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100% of the blame falls on zelensky.
Putin starts war with Ukraine because Ukraine wants to join NATO.
Only way there could be a Peace Agreement at this very moment is if Ukraine gives up large parts of their country to Russia.
100% Zelensky's fault!!!!
Posted on 9/22/22 at 10:42 am to shel311
I wonder why BoJo ran over there to kill the talks.
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Aaron Maté
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To be clear, Fiona Hill didn't report that the West sabotaged talks. She reported that a deal was reached, and US officials knew about it. She omitted what Ukrainian media reported previously, which is that the UK (the US junior partner) sabotaged talks:
Posted on 9/22/22 at 10:43 am to Vacherie Saint
quote:But why should Ukraine have to give up parts of their country and it's their fault there is no peace if they don't?
Why would they do that? They've taken control of the entire Eastern border of Ukraine. An area the size of Greece.
quote:I'd imagine it's something along the lines of...Russia is open to peace talks provided they get parts of Ukraine. Ukraine is open to peace talks provided Russia removes all of their troops and leave the entire country immediately.
There's only one problem. Russia is open to peace talks, and Ukraine is willing to listen.
Russia isn't really open to peace talks, they're open to Ukraine giving in to their demands.
quote:You got that backwards.
So if your only terms for peace is unmitigated surrender under no real threat of allied force, Russia isnt budging
This post was edited on 9/22/22 at 10:45 am
Posted on 9/22/22 at 10:46 am to burger bearcat
Posted on 9/22/22 at 10:47 am to Plx1776
quote:And the best answer to that is because Russia won't withdraw their troops without demanding large parts of Ukraine become part of Russia, and thus, there is no peace agreement.
but the topic is about why there isn't a peace agreement.
Posted on 9/22/22 at 10:48 am to shel311
Does nato really need Ukraine? All blinken had to do was say we accept that Russia has security concerns about Ukraine in nato. But blinken is a neocon and neocons want war with russia.
Posted on 9/22/22 at 10:49 am to texas tortilla
quote:Not the right question. The correct question is why does Russia get to dictate what Ukraine does with regards to wanting to join NATO?
Does nato really need Ukraine?
Posted on 9/22/22 at 10:49 am to burger bearcat
Well if it were the US someone took a chunk of, peace would not be an option for me. As for Ukraine, they can choose to fight, we can choose to not be involved.
Posted on 9/22/22 at 10:50 am to shel311
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And the best answer to that is because Russia won't withdraw their troops without demanding large parts of Ukraine become part of Russia, and thus, there is no peace agreement.
Right. Asking why there isn't a peace agreement is akin to just going ahead and asking why Ukraine won't cede the eastern third of its country to Russia.
I don't understand why so many find Ukraine's resistance to doing that strange.
Turkey has been mediating for months, and the talks haven't gone anywhere.
However, I would wager that Russia's latest move is 100% intended to set the conversation for negotiations.
Posted on 9/22/22 at 10:53 am to Indefatigable
because you dont make deads with evil,you destroy it
Posted on 9/22/22 at 11:00 am to Marquesa
quote:I agree, and I don't think Ukraine should concede the loss of its territory to Russia, but the situation IS somewhat different here.
Well if it were the US someone took a chunk of, peace would not be an option for me. As for Ukraine, they can choose to fight, we can choose to not be involved.
First, Crimea. Historically, there has NEVER been a strong Ukrainian presence in Crimea. The area belonged to Russia and was populated by the Crimean Tatars. Stalin sent all of them into internal exile and repopulated largely with ethnic Russians, then Khrushchev gave the territory to Ukraine by fiat a few years later. (His daughter said that he did this just because Ukraine was his favorite republic in the USSR). It is not unlike the way that the Great Powers carved-up the Middle East without consulting the people involved.
Even Eastern Ukraine is far more complex than (for example) Alaska or Arizona. The area changed hands repeatedly thru history. It is ETHNICALLY Ukrainian, but linguistically and culturally Russian. Why? The Russian Empire controlled the eastern areas of modern Ukraine, and they engaged in significant Russification. The western regions were controlled by the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth and (later) Hapsburg Austria, which were both already multi-cultural and made no effort to replace Ukrainian culture. As a result, Ukrainian nationalism is FAR stronger in the west, while the east tends to look towards Russia in many ways.
This post was edited on 9/22/22 at 11:26 am
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