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re: All Quiet on the Western Front getting rave reviews out of TIFF

Posted on 9/14/22 at 8:04 pm to
Posted by Shotgun Willie
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Posted on 9/14/22 at 8:04 pm to
Highly recommend the WWI museum here in KC. It is pretty amazing. They actually have a VR experience right now where you walk through a trench and it’s narrated by Dan Carlin.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 9/14/22 at 8:22 pm to
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WW1 seems to largely be forgotten when it comes to war movies due to WW2 being such a fascinating event


The conflicts can be viewed as largely the same war with a 20-year pause.

Now, as to the "forgotten" part, certainly Hollywood has not produced nearly the volume of WWI films as it has for WWII, but recall just how many Hollywood types served in WWII or had fond memories of that period of time (for the U.S. it is largely viewed as our only "good" war outside of the Revolution) and the U.S. had only a brief (albeit intense at times) involvement in the Great War.

However, the WWI films that have made it to American cinema have included a lot of gems.

Starting with the classic "Big 3" - Wings (1927), All Quiet on the Western Front (1930) and A Farewell to Arms (1932). These are legendary, seminal films. During that same era, you had gems like What Price Glory? (1926), Both The Lost Patrol films (the silent British film from 1929 which John Ford remade in 1934), Howard Hawks' The Dawn Patrol (1930, which was remade by Edmund Goulding in 1938), Howard Hughes Hell's Angels (1930), and just a ton of dramas, thrillers and other action-oriented films in the 30s with the war as a backdrop.

Obviously many of these are interwar films and that subject matter would be replaced by the second war's recentness, scope, breadth and modernity.

Once the war started in earnest, real quality films set in the first war (mainly as a proxy) abound. Look no further than The Great Dictator, Sergeant York, Yankee Doodle Dandy, Colonel Blimp and Michael Curtis' This is the Army. Now, many of these films served as soft propaganda, but they're outstanding.

Post-war, again, the latter conflict sucked a lot of the oxygen out of the room for war-themed films, but you have literal masterpieces like The African Queen, East of Eden, Vidor's remake of A Farewell to Arms, Paths of Glory and Lawrence of Arabia made between 1950 and 1962.

The 1960s saw the British films The Blue Max and Richard Attenborough's Oh! What a Lovely War. 1971 saw Dalton Trumbo's anti-war (targeting Vietnam, but using WWI, as M*A*S*H had done with Korea) Johnny Got His Gun.

Gallipoli (launching Mel Gibson's career) was 1981. The next significant (in my mind) WWI film wouldn't hit until Legends of the Fall.

I would be remiss if I didn't mention the outstanding made for television film The Lost Battalion starring Rick (don't call him Ricky) Shroeder. This is our old friend Russell Mulcahy again, who directed about 1/2 of the music videos played on MTV in the 1980s as well as Highlander.

ETA: Bottom line - there are tons of quality WWI films out there if one wants to watch them. Top tier films with top tier actors and top tier directors.
This post was edited on 9/14/22 at 8:23 pm
Posted by dawgfan24348
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Posted on 9/14/22 at 8:23 pm to
You do realize that’s not a real quote right?
Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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Posted on 9/14/22 at 8:53 pm to
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The conflicts can be viewed as largely the same war with a 20-year pause.


Well yeah Hitler couldn't wait to right what he thought was lost by incompetent politicians. And revenge the Treaty of Versailles which bankrupted Germany.

Hitler denounced the Treaty as soon as he got into power.

He was apparently never seen in conflicts after victory except in Paris. As a soldier in WWI, 20 years later, Germany finally got to Paris.
Posted by dawgfan24348
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Posted on 9/14/22 at 9:00 pm to
Think that has to do with a few things, one WWII had NAZIs and the Holocaust. WWII also had the benefit of the Axis powers just being out right evil fricks especially the NAZIs although Japan did some horrific shite as well. WWII also had the Pacific Theater and of course the eventual use of nuclear weapons which has been the only time they’ve been used in war.

WWI on the other hand was just an absolute shite show and unless you really dove into early 1900’s European politics you’d probably wouldn’t know why the frick it all popped off in the first place minus an Archduke getting murdered. Not to mention trench warfare was absolutely barbaric as well as the use of chemical warfare which made living in the trenches so much worse.
Posted by dawgfan24348
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 9/14/22 at 9:05 pm to
Yep, the allied powers in WWI forced Germany to pay for all the costs of the war which completely broke the German economy. With Germans living in extreme poverty they turned to a man who spouted hyper nationalist ideologies and once him and his crew took power he started to weed out anyone that went against him. Hitler didn’t initially take over Germany by force he just played the game and knew how to rally people and gaslight them. Once he was cemented as Chancellor and his party had taken over it was too late for anyone to stop him.

Also Japan wasn’t a fan of being invited to the big kids table so they decided to just rape China and Southeast Asia then America stops supplying them with oil which of course leads to Pearl Harbor
Posted by Pettifogger
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Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 9/14/22 at 9:14 pm to
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And Hollywood is run by Jews who absolutely loooooove making movies whining about the Holocaust.



I hope they keep pumping them out TBH

Beats Marvel garbage
Posted by dawgfan24348
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Posted on 9/14/22 at 9:17 pm to
Ease up there Cartman
Posted by red sox fan 13
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Posted on 9/14/22 at 9:26 pm to
If we can get a Storm of Steel movie that would be so badass
Posted by red sox fan 13
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Posted on 9/14/22 at 9:28 pm to
Why would that guy say “the First World War must be brought about” like there hadn’t been any world wars yet? I guess the Illuminati planned out the 2 world wars?


ETA: a quick google search shows that guy was very influential in the founding of the Klan. So I doubt he was very into communism
This post was edited on 9/14/22 at 9:31 pm
Posted by prplhze2000
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Posted on 9/14/22 at 9:29 pm to
We also have alot of combat footage of WW2, not much of the actual combat from The Great War
Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 9/14/22 at 9:33 pm to
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Hitler didn’t initially take over Germany by force he just played the game


People always overlook this. They say, how could the German people be so easily swayed?

One the country was in shambles...and two...

Hitler was elected Chancellor by the skin of his chinny-chin-chin and lost in the 1932 elections to a dying man. Hindenburg elected Hitler as Chancellor and then died a year later...he was bound to as it was the second largest political party...but by no means a majority.

He became the Furher by circumstance, not overwhelming public support.
Posted by skrayper
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Posted on 9/15/22 at 12:50 pm to
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whining about the Holocaust.


Posted by skrayper
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Posted on 9/15/22 at 12:56 pm to
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Jack Ruby


Posted by 3nOut
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Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 9/15/22 at 1:11 pm to
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I think the First World War is just as equally as fascinating as the Second World War. However, the latter was more black and white and easier to understand. It's difficult for modern audiences to really understand what the soldiers of that first conflict were actually fighting for. Even they really didn't know.




exactly correct. obviously it's stupid to put it this way, but after watching 1917 with my oldest he asked why we didn't talk about WW1 as much. i said "a Serbian teeanager killed an Austria-Hungarian prince and everybody had treaties so they had to go to war because Austria and Serbia went to war. it's really dumb when you say it out loud"
Posted by Bronc
Member since Sep 2018
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Posted on 9/15/22 at 1:29 pm to
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Hitler was elected Chancellor by the skin of his chinny-chin-chin and lost in the 1932 elections to a dying man. Hindenburg elected Hitler as Chancellor and then died a year later...he was bound to as it was the second largest political party...but by no means a majority.

He became the Furher by circumstance, not overwhelming public support.


Also helps impress upon the ruling conservative party that needs your support to form a coalition, that they are so smitten and obedient that his sycophants are willing to march on the capital and try and take power by force under the lie of needing to return Germany to it's rightful greatness and save Germany from the Jew and the Commie that is secretly running the government....."

Persuading through numbers and fear that the ruling class conservative party must concede leadership positions to the extreme right that Hitler holds sway over, or they will be unable to wrestle power from the center-left opposition and so Paul Von Hindenburg makes a devil's deal with Hitler.



This post was edited on 9/15/22 at 1:31 pm
Posted by rebelrouser
Columbia, SC
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 9/15/22 at 2:01 pm to
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There’s no real good v evil and it was just on the cusp of modern times turning into an insane mess.


Serbia and the Black Hand terrorist group they supported started this war.
Posted by Fun Bunch
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Member since May 2008
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Posted on 9/15/22 at 2:14 pm to
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Also helps impress upon the ruling conservative party that needs your support to form a coalition, that they are so smitten and obedient that his sycophants are willing to march on the capital and try and take power by force under the lie of needing to return Germany to it's rightful greatness and save Germany from the Jew and the Commie that is secretly running the government....."

Persuading through numbers and fear that the ruling class conservative party must concede leadership positions to the extreme right that Hitler holds sway over, or they will be unable to wrestle power from the center-left opposition and so Paul Von Hindenburg makes a devil's deal with Hitler.




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