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re: Do Navy SEALS Have a Problem?
Posted on 9/5/22 at 11:09 am to Flats
Posted on 9/5/22 at 11:09 am to Flats
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He probably knows this now, but they will occasionally kick someone back who has passed every single aspect just to see if they want it bad enough to re-apply. If the physical part is "easy", and it will always be easier for some than others, they don't know if the drive is really there.
He joined the gaurd and went to basic between his junior and senior year in high school.
He went active on graduation. He was an E5 at 19 and tried out. Way to young but otherwise good to go.
He spent a career in SF/Delta. I know he was because I was stationed there but he never mentioned it.
He did basically every hard school the army had to offer. He finally did Ranger school when he was around 37-38 because it was the only one he hadn't done. My Dad went to the graduation. After all of that, he finally said "that was hard". He was also class honor graduate.
The guy was a total stud.
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Posted on 9/5/22 at 11:18 am to eitek1
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After all of that, he finally said "that was hard"
I've only personally talked to one man who'd been through Ranger, Q-Course and BUD/S and had a frame of reference to compare them. He said he came out of Q-course in fantastic condition. Came out of BUD/S in fantastic condition. Came out of Ranger school and almost had to be admitted to the hospital, said he'd put a knife to the throat of anyone who tried to make him go back. He said hell week sucked but it was just a week, Ranger school sucked the entire way through.
This was 20 years ago, so no telling if it's still accurate. I asked him the obvious question about his career track, because when I met him he was just a training NCO at Jackson, and he said his wife gave him an ultimatum; Delta or their marriage. He chose his marriage. Probably the most highly trained training NCO they ever had.
Posted on 9/5/22 at 11:27 am to AUstar
Tier 1 isn’t for everyone. And that’s not a bad thing. If his body was going to give up on him it’s better to do it in training and have him be the only causality versus on an op and it negatively impact the mission or the team.
Posted on 9/5/22 at 11:43 am to AUstar
PEDs were part of the culture of the SEALS going back to the Frogman days of WWII. Used to distribute it freely to them then and during Vietnam....particularly methamphetamine.
Posted on 9/5/22 at 11:44 am to AUstar
SEAL training tends to be oppressively hard and anyone who washes out once doesn’t tend to get a second chance IIRC.
Brutal as hell but, OTOH, the idea is to have the cream rise to the top and have an elite unit. You aren’t getting one of those by having them do ballet.
Brutal as hell but, OTOH, the idea is to have the cream rise to the top and have an elite unit. You aren’t getting one of those by having them do ballet.
Posted on 9/5/22 at 11:49 am to leeman101
Jesse is technically a SEAL due to changes in units but he was actually Underwater Demolitions Team, which predated them and got folded into them IIRC.
That’s frogman kind of shite and it makes sense that bodybuilders wouldn’t tend to do well at that. The bigger you are, the harder it is to maneuver underwater and the more energy it takes.
That’s frogman kind of shite and it makes sense that bodybuilders wouldn’t tend to do well at that. The bigger you are, the harder it is to maneuver underwater and the more energy it takes.
Posted on 9/5/22 at 11:51 am to AUstar
Had to be Ritalin or ADD meds.
They give this to kids with ADD.
It’s ok for kids, just not for navy seals
They give this to kids with ADD.
It’s ok for kids, just not for navy seals
Posted on 9/5/22 at 11:54 am to AUstar
SpecOps needs a physician to keep the operators properly juiced. They are the world's most extreme athletes that kill on our behalf. If PEDs help in that mission, then it needs to be done correctly and safely under the care of a specialist.
Posted on 9/5/22 at 11:54 am to touchdownjeebus
I’d rather them use no PEDs period. The risks that come with PED usage cost the men and taxpayers far more than the benefits. It may take a while to figure out the threshold minus the PED’s but getting guys to the point where they don’t have to take shortcuts should be the goal.
Posted on 9/5/22 at 12:24 pm to AUstar
They should all be taking PEDs
Posted on 9/5/22 at 12:36 pm to lsu480
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They should all be taking PEDs
Yeah, this isn't entertainment ball where we're looking for fairness. We should do whatever makes them more lethal. The dosages to slightly increase strength and endurance would be pretty low anyway.
Posted on 9/5/22 at 12:53 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
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I don’t think the training is the problem. I think it’s more the mindset that “I need to be as big and strong as possible” to succeed. Oftentimes though it’s not the biggest and the strongest that survive. It’s the opposite… perfect example would be those American Ninja Warrior shows on tv. The jacked as frick guys typically struggle while the smaller guys tend to excel. Two completely different scenarios but at a certain
point size starts to work against you.
Correct. I had a PT instructor who always reminded us “combat favors the lean”
Posted on 9/5/22 at 12:57 pm to AUstar
You need to listen to the latest podcast from Andy Stumpf on this topic.
Posted on 9/5/22 at 1:07 pm to 225bred
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Correct. I had a PT instructor who always reminded us “combat favors the lean”
Most SEALs aren't that big. 5'10"/180 and can PT for days. Ronnie Coleman in his prime wouldn't last 10 minutes in BUD/S.
Posted on 9/5/22 at 1:08 pm to AUstar
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Do Navy SEALS Have a Problem?
ONLY if they bow to pressure, and change their training.
It's insanely tough for a reason, and that reason is that it saves many lives in the long run.
Posted on 9/5/22 at 1:14 pm to AUstar
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What say you? Is the Navy reckless or is it just "a few people will die, but we shouldn't lower the standards" type of thing?
People are dying from having gay sex.
Stop gay sex first.
Posted on 9/6/22 at 10:15 pm to Jimmy Russel
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The risks that come with PED usage cost the men and taxpayers far more than the benefits.
That’s very inaccurate and they are already used (experimentally) in the SOF community under the tutelage of a doctor. When used correctly, PEDs are of minimal risk.
Here is a study for you:
LINK
Here is a plain speak look.
LINK /
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they don’t have to take shortcuts
This is another misconception. You can take all the PEDs in the world, but if you don’t do the actual work, you won’t benefit. It isn’t a short cut but a way to maximize your efforts.
This post was edited on 9/6/22 at 10:18 pm
Posted on 9/6/22 at 10:47 pm to AUstar
Yes. While we’re at it we should make tactical operating conditions in extreme environments under high stress circumstances easier.
Posted on 9/6/22 at 10:51 pm to touchdownjeebus
I saw a ranger that roided out, rip the cover off a barstool in the green parachute club and almost kill a guy. In Fayetteville NC. The t1 guys get the best doctors and mental evaluations on a regular basis but some still slip through the cracks.
The training and mission isn’t for everyone.
The training and mission isn’t for everyone.
Posted on 9/6/22 at 11:02 pm to Smokeyone
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I saw a ranger that roided out, rip the cover off a barstool in the green parachute club and almost kill a guy. In Fayetteville NC.
There’s not a 75th battalion at Bragg and the regiment isn’t considered t1. Your point isn’t entirely wrong but regular SOF doesn’t get near the psych screening that Delta does.
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