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US College Students Are Shunning Oil-Industry Degrees for ESG Future
Posted on 7/9/22 at 9:52 am
Posted on 7/9/22 at 9:52 am
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Scott Lindberg’s dream of becoming a petroleum engineer was fueled by childhood drives through Texas oil country with his energy-consultant father, passing pumpjacks and pipeline hubs that kept the world’s biggest economy humming.
But after recently graduating with honors from the University of Texas at Austin with a petroleum-engineering degree, Lindberg is turning his back on the oil industry and plans to attend law school instead. His disenchantment is rooted in concern that fossil fuels may not have much of a future given increasing pressure from politicians, activists and investors to pivot toward more climate-friendly energy sources.
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This year, the number of new petroleum-engineering graduates in the US is expected to total about 400 -- an 83% decline from 2017, when they peaked at more than 2,300, according to Lloyd Heinze, a Texas Tech University professor who tracks annual enrollments at more than three dozen petroleum schools around the world.
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Historically, however, petroleum schools have seen influxes of new students when oil booms and the sector goes on hiring sprees. But with US crude up more than 30% so far this year, the link appears to be broken.
“Personally, I think we are heading to a bit of a crisis,” said Jennifer Miskimins, who leads the petroleum-engineering department at the Colorado School of Mines, one of the world’s premier oil universities. “As petroleum engineers age, the industry will need to replace a retiring cohort of Baby Boomers. But we are not seeing enough petroleum engineers to fill the demand.”
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The reason why enrollment numbers no longer correlate with oil prices, according to Colorado School of Mines’s Miskimins, is partly due to the energy transition. More students and parents are turned off by the sector not necessarily because they are environmental advocates, but because they have concluded the switch will make oil and natural gas obsolete in five or 10 years, she said.
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“We always tell students in their first lesson, you are entering a super cyclical industry, and you need to be prepared for that,” Miskimins said.
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It's already been noted across the industry that the COIVD 2020 downturn motivated quite a bit of elder field experienced folks to just retire early from the industry. This has become one of the challenges with ramping up to try to match the step increase in demand coming out of the government-forced lockdowns/shutdowns.
I have seen, in my time, folks from Petroleum, Mechanical and Chemical engineering degree backgrounds being able to cross over into each others' "disciplines" within the industry. However, obviously each of the three at least being out of college with a knowledge base that's a bit different from each other, but the oil & gas and petrochemical industries are fast-learning and adapt type fields. I do wonder if those that are opting not to pursue PE or simply just doing mechanical or chemical in college, with a mind that they may still very well end up working for a Valero, Exxon, Devon, etc. upon graduating.
Posted on 7/9/22 at 9:57 am to ragincajun03
10 years ago, there was a huge glut of PETE graduates.
Posted on 7/9/22 at 10:07 am to ragincajun03
Now a days I’m not sure why someone would willingly choose petroleum over mechanical.
More options with mechanical and you can still work in O&G if you want. I know a few petroleum guys who have gotten laid off when the market was down, it seems much less secure career wise.
More options with mechanical and you can still work in O&G if you want. I know a few petroleum guys who have gotten laid off when the market was down, it seems much less secure career wise.
This post was edited on 7/9/22 at 10:11 am
Posted on 7/9/22 at 10:08 am to ragincajun03
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the industry will need to replace a retiring cohort of Baby Boomers
I spent 15 years in drilling and completions being told about the "great crew change" that never happened. After 2020 I went and got my MS in civil engineering and now design water pipelines. I get emails and phone calls everyday now to return to which I tell them I will be there on the 12th of never. The energy industry probably isnt going anywhere in my lifetime but it is a horrible place to work. Long hours, weekends, holidays, and always waiting for the next crash to fuel layoffs and paycuts.
Posted on 7/9/22 at 10:12 am to ragincajun03
I don’t understand why petroleum engineering is even a degree. It seemed like a marketing gimmick.
It doesn’t seem materially different enough from chemical engineering.
It’s like college’s now offering analytics degrees. Shouldn’t that just be a concentration for a math or statistics major?
It doesn’t seem materially different enough from chemical engineering.
It’s like college’s now offering analytics degrees. Shouldn’t that just be a concentration for a math or statistics major?
Posted on 7/9/22 at 10:17 am to ragincajun03
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I have seen, in my time, folks from Petroleum, Mechanical and Chemical engineering degree backgrounds being able to cross over into each others' "disciplines" within the industry.
Yea, but mechanical and chemical can hop out of that industry and blend easily into others…petro are stuck.
Posted on 7/9/22 at 10:27 am to ragincajun03
Lol I don’t think ESG is what’s deterring kids. How about some job stability? I think people are realizing it’s not fun to get laid off every 3 years.
Posted on 7/9/22 at 10:32 am to Gaston
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Yea, but mechanical and chemical can hop out of that industry and blend easily into others…petro are stuck.
That’s why I’m wondering if these “lost” Petroleum Engineering numbers are just more students opting for the other two, even if they still envision trying to make a career in O&G.
Hell, you can be a top-notch facilities engineer for an operator, midstream or petrochem company with a Civil Engineering degree.
This post was edited on 7/9/22 at 10:41 am
Posted on 7/9/22 at 10:33 am to ragincajun03
It's crazy that now we've got massive amounts of kids going into school for the sole purpose trying to frick up their future employers' businesses.
Posted on 7/9/22 at 10:35 am to ragincajun03
This doesn't change the reality of our energy needs. Just because people don't like carbon-based fuels doesn't mean it's not necessary to fuel a modern society.
Posted on 7/9/22 at 10:37 am to BruceJender
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I think people are realizing it’s not fun to get laid off every 3 years.
My daughter announced early that she would never work in the patch. She found out that female ChemE's are in short supply in many other areas.


Posted on 7/9/22 at 10:39 am to kingbob
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10 years ago, there was a huge glut of PETE graduates.
Is that an operator? We used to have recurring threads about people trying to claw into that profession…but now that I think about it, it’s been a while since I’ve seen one of those threads.
Truck nuts [on] or [off]??
Posted on 7/9/22 at 10:42 am to ragincajun03
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I have seen, in my time, folks from Petroleum, Mechanical and Chemical engineering degree backgrounds being able to cross over into each others' "disciplines" within the industry.
Raises hand. Several carbon capture and sequestration (CCS) projects are on my plate now along with O&G projects. Why? Because the this administration has made capital funds availed to CO2 emitters and they have raised the tax credit from $50/metric tonn of CO2 captured to $85/metric tonn.
Without government incentive and intervention these CCS projects are not viable.
Posted on 7/9/22 at 10:46 am to GeauxHouston
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Now a days I’m not sure why someone would willingly choose petroleum over mechanical. More options with mechanical and you can still work in O&G if you want. I know a few petroleum guys who have gotten laid off when the market was down, it seems much less secure career wise.
I ultimately went finance route, but gave a lot of thought to petroleum engineering (college in mid-2000s). I had a friend whose father had been fairly high-up in oil industry in 1980s-early 2000s and his feedback even back then was don’t do PetE. He said to do mechanical as they can do all the same stuff but can better ride out cycles.
Posted on 7/9/22 at 10:47 am to BruceJender
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Lol I don’t think ESG is what’s deterring kids. How about some job stability? I think people are realizing it’s not fun to get laid off every 3 years.
Meh. Even if laid off engineers that want a job will get a job pretty easy.
Posted on 7/9/22 at 10:48 am to Hangit
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My daughter announced early that she would never work in the patch. She found out that female ChemE's are in short supply in many other areas.
My daughter is working on her PhD in MechE and the professor that recruited her was honest and said being female was going to let her write her own ticket.
This post was edited on 7/9/22 at 10:49 am
Posted on 7/9/22 at 10:51 am to BruceJender
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Lol I don’t think ESG is what’s deterring kids. How about some job stability? I think people are realizing it’s not fun to get laid off every 3 years.
It’s both and it’s an issue that is getting discussed although maybe somewhat quietly.
We have new PEs and geos that no longer want to be be in E&P and are pushing to get into our more IT, digital, data type roles so they can build a résumé of transferable skills or - - and this is where they seem to have a little more passion - - they want to get into our carbon capture or renewable type projects.
Posted on 7/9/22 at 10:52 am to ragincajun03
Whoever is in the industry now is gonna make a fortune.
Posted on 7/9/22 at 10:52 am to Olderthandirt
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My daughter is working on her PhD in MechE and the professor that recruited her was honest and said being female was going to let her write her own ticket.
The professor is not wrong. Engineering is full of males. Companies are dying to hire female engineers. It's been that way for at least 30 years. They not only start with a higher salary than men, if they are half way competent they will move up the corporate ladder really fast.
Posted on 7/9/22 at 10:54 am to TomRollTideRitter
“It doesn’t seem materially different enough from chemical engineering. “
Hmmmm… pretty different.. I had no classes in tower and vessel designs but did in reservoir eng ( fluid flow in a porous media)
Drilling dynamics… completion design.. petrophysics..electric and nuclear well logging… etc….
During the boom we would take chemE and mechanical to send to training to be Petroleum once hired…
Reason for less is simple.. industry has a history of hire .. pay high salary.. lay off mid career and force them to find new career paths …
Industry has learned to not go crazy with budgets and staff in boom times and students have seen friends and family go through a lot of pain… it is a fine career .. just go in with eyes open and understanding.
Btw..( 30plus years retired eng….geology...geophysicist….petrophysicisst)
Hmmmm… pretty different.. I had no classes in tower and vessel designs but did in reservoir eng ( fluid flow in a porous media)
Drilling dynamics… completion design.. petrophysics..electric and nuclear well logging… etc….
During the boom we would take chemE and mechanical to send to training to be Petroleum once hired…
Reason for less is simple.. industry has a history of hire .. pay high salary.. lay off mid career and force them to find new career paths …
Industry has learned to not go crazy with budgets and staff in boom times and students have seen friends and family go through a lot of pain… it is a fine career .. just go in with eyes open and understanding.
Btw..( 30plus years retired eng….geology...geophysicist….petrophysicisst)
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