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Pels made an offer for Cam Thomas

Posted on 7/5/22 at 2:21 pm
Posted by LSU BASEBALL13
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Posted on 7/5/22 at 2:21 pm
Nets shut it down but interesting to see…
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Posted by whatiknowsofar
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Posted on 7/5/22 at 2:22 pm to
I like it. Pels always looking to add cheap cost controllable shooters.
Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 7/5/22 at 2:22 pm to
BI for Cam?
Posted by whatiknowsofar
hm?
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Posted on 7/5/22 at 2:23 pm to
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BI for Cam?


We'd have to include some firsts
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 7/5/22 at 2:24 pm to
That lines up with what most of us feel the holes on the rosters are. Basically we need to trade Hayes and Graham to get players that actually are what those 2 are supposed to be, a microwave bench scorer and a rim running rim protector.
Posted by Macintosh
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Posted on 7/5/22 at 2:26 pm to
Yup
Posted by Soggymoss
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Posted on 7/5/22 at 2:37 pm to
This guy is not reliable and doesn’t have sources
Posted by WaltWhite504
Member since Sep 2021
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Posted on 7/5/22 at 2:57 pm to
I think this puts to rest idea that Pels are ready to run with what we have. Not saying we wont, just saying its nice the Pels are conservatively browsing the market. For once we have not only the funds to shop, but we are full in a way that we just need to complement the meal and not starving and willing to overpay for rotten scraps.
Posted by supe12sta12z
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Posted on 7/5/22 at 3:15 pm to
Yea… I don’t buy it. Thomas doesn’t fit what the Pelicans covet in a player for them to seek out a trade like that.
Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
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Posted on 7/5/22 at 3:31 pm to
Well they could have just drafted him but then again I’m not giving up Trey or Herb so that made the right call. He’d fit in perfectly with this team though as the scoring punch off the bench along with Trey.
This post was edited on 7/5/22 at 3:32 pm
Posted by Jester
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Member since Feb 2006
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Posted on 7/5/22 at 3:34 pm to
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Thomas doesn’t fit what the Pelicans covet in a player for them to seek out a trade like that.


Huh? Cheap shooters are exactly what the Pelicans need. He's also a guy who is known for being a solid teammate with a good work ethic. He isn't a plus defender, but he is very young and has tools to build on.

People have gone retarded thinking you can create a roster full of defenders and Vinson will teach them all to shoot. It may be a shocker to many, but shooters can be taught to defend just like defenders can be taught to shoot.

I doubt we were looking to send a bunch of assets for Thomas. This sounds more like tire-kicking. The Nets are spiraling into a rebuild, so you find a piece that may work for us and see if you can get him for cheap.
Posted by supe12sta12z
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Posted on 7/5/22 at 3:38 pm to
Cheap inefficient shooters who shot 27% from 3 his rookie year and plays no defense and doesn’t have any valuable qualities when the shot isn’t falling isn’t what the Pelicans need or want. But you Cam Thomas fanboys keep dreaming.
Posted by CP3forMVP
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 7/5/22 at 3:51 pm to
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People have gone retarded thinking you can create a roster full of defenders and Vinson will teach them all to shoot. It may be a shocker to many, but shooters can be taught to defend just like defenders can be taught to shoot.


I think you initially were down the right path but missed your turn somewhere. Nobody is expecting them to fill the roster with a bunch of dudes who can't shoot but can defend. Luckily for us, you don't have to choose one or the other with a lot of the guys you covet.

However, I think the thing this board has become surprisingly pretty aligned on, is that more times than not it's smarter/more realistic/etc to take a guy that can't shoot but can defend and hope you can develop his shooting, rather than take a guy that can't defend but can shoot, and hope to develop him defensively. Teaching a guy to defend has quite a few more moving parts than just teaching a guy how to shoot.
Posted by PELsu
Member since Oct 2021
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Posted on 7/5/22 at 3:59 pm to
Cam Thomas just isn’t a smart basketball player. He obviously CAN shoot but he’s not going to shoot well because he will take terrible shots. And he probably could defend but he doesn’t care to try most of the time and gets lost. Not even getting into his lack of size to really body anyone.

I’m sure someone will say, well he’s a rookie and so young. But what rookie can’t you say that about. At some point you have to judge the players on what they have shown. No one should want Cam anywhere near this team.
Posted by Cblodaily
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Member since Mar 2016
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Posted on 7/6/22 at 4:35 am to
I love who the pels picked up in last year's draft. I also love LSU and damn, CAM THOMAS got buckets and buckets and more buckets. Wtf all players have negative traits.ALL. But honestly tell me why in 2 3 yrs he wouldn't be mcullum. ?????
Posted by LilWezyAna
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Posted on 7/6/22 at 6:27 am to
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But honestly tell me why in 2 3 yrs he wouldn't be mcullum. ?????

Cam would have to very drastically improve his handle and quickness. His first step just isn’t that quick, so he really always has to make pretty difficult shots

Also we don’t even know if Cam is ever going to be an efficient shooter. Both in college and his first year in NBA he’s been a below average 3pt shooter
This post was edited on 7/6/22 at 6:31 am
Posted by Soggymoss
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Posted on 7/6/22 at 6:28 am to
Add in his shot selection shows his BBIQ really is not there
Posted by DallasTiger45
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 7/6/22 at 8:27 am to
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Add in his shot selection shows his BBIQ really is not there


Context is badly needed here

Cam played for a Brooklyn team built around the big 3. He didn’t play a ton when Harden/KD/Kyrie were all available. When he did get more run, it was due to injuries, and he had to create shots.

In one of Cam’s best games this year, he played 30 minutes off the bench against the Knicks. He scored 21 points and hit some big shots to help them win the game. But more importantly to my point here, he HAD to take a lot of shots because of who he was playing with.

Kyrie
Bruce brown
Patty mills
Seth curry
Drummond
Aldridge
James Johnson
Jevon Carter
Kessler Edwards

Especially when playing without Kyrie on the floor…who else is initiating offense here? It was a roster full of screen setting bigs and movement shooters.

Cam has some bad habits from his college days but it’s nothing that can’t be worked on and improved. I saw him play differently on the rare occasions he shared the court with KD and Kyrie and played a true supporting role. If we can acquire a cheap, talented guy to fill a bench role I think it’s a good move to make.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 7/6/22 at 8:46 am to
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He scored 21 points and hit some big shots to help them win the game.



and he took 21 shots in that game.


I love Cam b/c he went to LSU, and b/c i love his attitude towards the game. I think he's been in situations both at LSU and with Brooklyn where he's been given the green light to just do whatever the hell he wants, and his efficiency shows b/c of it. He might not be encouraged to take these tough shots, but he sure as hell isn't discouraged too. They need to stop making him feel like he needs to just do his own thing and be a chucker. Play within the team and score that way. he'd have a much easier time getting open and easier looks that way, from wherever he wants on the court. And he's also 20 years old.

I get what some of you are saying about him not being smart, as far as shot selection goes, and i get that, but how he gets to the rim and finishes and gets fouled so often at his size and athleticism is an amazing feat. He's a lot smarter than you give him credit for.


All that being said, he's been pretty terrible from 3 for some time, and when i say that, i mean from a catch and shoot perspective. 28% on catch and shoot 3's? that's pretty bad. And he was only 33% on wide open 3's taken. I mean Matisse Thybulle is actually better than him on catch and shoot 3s at over 30% for his 3 year career.

I'm anxious to see what Cam learned playing against NBA talent this year, and how he improves. I think this year will be telling for him. Maybe he ends up being Austin Rivers or worst, or he can see the potential and become a better scorer, but i think he'll always be that 6th man role scorer.
Posted by DallasTiger45
Member since May 2012
8700 posts
Posted on 7/6/22 at 9:15 am to
Agree that he will be a bench scorer long term. Jamal Crawford/Lou Williams type of player is a reasonable high end comp for him imo.

The 3 pointer should improve as he gets more comfortable playing without the ball in his hands all the time. No reason for his off the dribble 3’s to go in at the same % as his catch and shoot 3’s
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