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re: The Uvalde received school shooting training 2 months ago; here are the findings
Posted on 5/28/22 at 3:34 pm to OMLandshark
Posted on 5/28/22 at 3:34 pm to OMLandshark
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And plenty of things can be used as battering rams, like for instance my favorite toy when I was a kid:
Was it an inward opening door?
And no plenty of things can't be used. Those doors hold up very well it's not always like on TV.
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Posted on 5/28/22 at 3:35 pm to zsav77
quote:can you do that while being shot at fron the narrow lite or in some cases half glass in the door? Oh and you have to do it in about 3-4 seconds to save a few lives
With a halligan tool and a sledge hammer, with a metal door and frame can be opened very quickly. I’ve done it myself.
Have you also benched 475 and ran a 4.2?
This post was edited on 5/28/22 at 3:38 pm
Posted on 5/28/22 at 3:36 pm to OMLandshark
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Get fricked, you pussy coward. I hate cowards more than evil shooters, and it’s because shite like this can only be allowed by cowards like you.
And I hate illogical, emotional thinking.
You get schooled in a logic trap and now you act like a BITCH and start cursing.
Believe me, I would punk your arse if you called me a pussy to my face.
Posted on 5/28/22 at 3:37 pm to Jimbeaux
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This sounds like total BS. Please try to use critical thinking. This is extremely likely to be a gross misinterpretation of what the “police official” said, otherwise, the person who said it would have been named and quoted.
Again, stop carrying water to the point of concocting conspiracies and slandering the parents of victims to keep your childish idea of all police being superhero’s in your head
LINK
That statement came directly from the DPS spokesman when asked why officers refused to follow best practices
Posted on 5/28/22 at 3:38 pm to Jimbeaux
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And I hate illogical, emotional thinking. You get schooled in a logic trap and now you act like a BITCH and start cursing. Believe me, I would punk your arse if you called me a pussy to my face.
Nah man, you’re just an ignorant keyboard warrior reflexively coming to the defense of bad police and getting angry when everyone is schooling you left and right and you refuse to concede
Now you are literally wanting to fight someone to defend bad police/leadership
There were good police on that scene, they just were not in the Uvalde department. At least beyond the two that initially followed protocol and engaged the shooter.
This post was edited on 5/28/22 at 3:42 pm
Posted on 5/28/22 at 3:39 pm to Jimbeaux
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Jimbeaux
Pic of Jimbeaux:
Posted on 5/28/22 at 3:42 pm to J Murdah
Bring me up to speed on the windows to get the room. Were they accessible to a breach attempt?
Granted, I know the gunman could take shots at the police, but was breaking the windows and storming the room at least theoretically possible (even if some brave cops would have taken bullets; although, I would assume, the shooter would be just as out in the open as the police would be in that situation)?
Are those windows normally unbreakable to improvised breaching tool?
Edit: In my mind, I’m imagining shimmying underneath the window line until you were right underneath the window, taking a sledgehammer, smashing the frick out of the window while wearing body armor, and storming the gunman with as many cops as possible until a kill shot was made.
Granted, I know the gunman could take shots at the police, but was breaking the windows and storming the room at least theoretically possible (even if some brave cops would have taken bullets; although, I would assume, the shooter would be just as out in the open as the police would be in that situation)?
Are those windows normally unbreakable to improvised breaching tool?
Edit: In my mind, I’m imagining shimmying underneath the window line until you were right underneath the window, taking a sledgehammer, smashing the frick out of the window while wearing body armor, and storming the gunman with as many cops as possible until a kill shot was made.
This post was edited on 5/28/22 at 3:47 pm
Posted on 5/28/22 at 3:43 pm to Jimbeaux
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And I hate illogical, emotional thinking.
Yeah, like what if the kids are bleeding out and can be saved? Nah, let’s just be a bunch of pussies, cower in the hallway, wait for the key, and then some off duty border patrol to come in and do our job for us.
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You get schooled in a logic trap and now you act like a BITCH and start cursing.
You haven’t owned shite but outing yourself as a coward.
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Believe me, I would punk your arse if you called me a pussy to my face.
Posted on 5/28/22 at 3:43 pm to J Murdah
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can you do that while being shot at fron the narrow lite or in some cases half glass in the door? Oh and you have to do it in about 3-4 seconds to save a few lives Have you also benched 475 and ran a 4.2
I understand how that came off. It was more of a response to that poster saying metal doors in schools would be hard to open.
It would suck to do it. You’d have to try to place it and hit from the cover of the walls and try to do it when you can. Dangerous as hell obviously but you have to try to do something.
I should’ve worded it better.
Posted on 5/28/22 at 3:46 pm to OMLandshark
Perfect gif.
You’re a retarded sonofabitch
You’re a retarded sonofabitch
Posted on 5/28/22 at 3:47 pm to Jimbeaux
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This sounds like total BS. Please try to use critical thinking. This is extremely likely to be a gross misinterpretation of what the “police official” said, otherwise, the person who said it would have been named and quoted.
It was said by a lieutenant with DPS in an interview. Go to page four on this forum and you can see it for yourself.
Posted on 5/28/22 at 3:52 pm to zsav77
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With a halligan tool and a sledge hammer, with a metal door and frame can be opened very quickly. I’ve done it myself.
That's why I said difficult. It's not as easy as just running up to it and knocking it open. It takes some coordination and teamwork. Especially if the suspect is firing through the walls and door at you.
Posted on 5/28/22 at 3:54 pm to theenemy
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That's why I said difficult. It's not as easy as just running up to it and knocking it open. It takes some coordination and teamwork.
And yet, I thought they had a team specially trained for such tasks?
Posted on 5/28/22 at 3:57 pm to UndercoverBryologist
Door manufacturers these days have come up with ballistic resistant wood doors and glass. Most classrooms probably have a 6x36 or in some cases a 24x36, glass lite. However they are very expensive and not required unless the ISD wants them. Almost all of the ones I have quoted have been in Texas.they aren't bullet proof but the door and hardware are designed to remain operable for different levels of protection. Some are only rated for so many 9mm shots and some are rated to withstand 6 or 7 assault rifle .7mm ammunition. I guess studies have shown that the shooter will get annoyed after a few shots and move on.
Problem is that they are worthless if the agressor is in the classroom.
Problem is that they are worthless if the agressor is in the classroom.
Posted on 5/28/22 at 3:59 pm to theenemy
That’s a level of relevant nuance that you’d be better off avoiding from what I’ve observed. Conclusions were reached long ago. You’d no doubt reach the ultimate conclusion that there was nary a hero amongst Uvalde law enforcement proper and yes they froze up at a historically inopportune moment, but there’s a severe aversion to assessment of all relevant angles and factors in reaching that ultimate conclusion.
This post was edited on 5/28/22 at 4:02 pm
Posted on 5/28/22 at 4:01 pm to J Murdah
Sounds like Texas has created slaughterhouses with no escape for their school designs.
(My elementary school in Mississippi had doors leading outdoors in every classroom, so chalk it up to Mississippi school architectural designers in the 1990s being smarter than their Texas counterparts in the 2020s.)
(My elementary school in Mississippi had doors leading outdoors in every classroom, so chalk it up to Mississippi school architectural designers in the 1990s being smarter than their Texas counterparts in the 2020s.)
Posted on 5/28/22 at 4:04 pm to UndercoverBryologist
I wouldn't go that far. In most school shootings the shooter hasn't barricaded themselves in the room.
There is no perfect solution to the problem. everyone, including ourselves, need to be more aware of signs that someone is unstable and potentially dangerous.
There is no perfect solution to the problem. everyone, including ourselves, need to be more aware of signs that someone is unstable and potentially dangerous.
Posted on 5/28/22 at 4:10 pm to J Murdah
I don’t understand funneling entrances through a single path into a school. Every classroom should have a door leading outside. It’s proper fire safety let alone school shooting safety to quickly evacuate in a moment’s notice.
Seems like in the hurry to make schools “safer”, we’ve built classrooms with bullet proof glass windows, heavy metal doors, and schools with only one entrance in or out.
The doors leading from the classroom to the outside can be one-way opening and bullet proof themselves, but if the teacher needs to get the students outside as quickly as possible, they should have that as an option.
Seems like in the hurry to make schools “safer”, we’ve built classrooms with bullet proof glass windows, heavy metal doors, and schools with only one entrance in or out.
The doors leading from the classroom to the outside can be one-way opening and bullet proof themselves, but if the teacher needs to get the students outside as quickly as possible, they should have that as an option.
Posted on 5/28/22 at 4:10 pm to Basura Blanco
I saw a social media site he was on in France and he said he was going to the elementary school. So, if that report is true, he intended to kill those kids who did nothing to him.
Posted on 5/28/22 at 4:13 pm to UndercoverBryologist
Bullet resistant not bullet proof.
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