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NYT: Border Patrol Tactical Team Was Ordered to Hold Back Before Confronting the Gunman
Posted on 5/27/22 at 7:16 pm
Posted on 5/27/22 at 7:16 pm
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When specially equipped federal immigration agents arrived at the elementary school in Uvalde, Texas, on Tuesday, the local police at the scene would not allow them to go after the gunman who had opened fire on students inside the school, according to two officials briefed on the situation.
The agents from Border Patrol and Immigration and Customs Enforcement arrived at some point between 12 and 12:10 p.m., according to the officials — far earlier than previously known. But they did not breach the adjoining classrooms of the school where the gunman had locked himself in until a little before 1 p.m. Members of the federal tactical team killed the gunman.
The officials said that members of the Uvalde Police Department kept the federal agents from going in sooner.
The new details deepened questions about the tactics used to respond to the shooting and the length of time it took officers on the scene to end the carnage.
The director of the Texas Department of Public Safety was expected to hold a news conference about the shooting and the police response Friday.
The federal agents reported that they arrived to a scene of chaos — people pulling children out of windows while the local police, carrying only handguns and a few rifles, were trying to secure a perimeter, according to one official, who like the other spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation.
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How incompetent was the Uvalde PD? The more details that come out, the more they look pathetic. I guess posing for Facebook photos with guns and tactical gear is much easier than actually doing your job when it counts.
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Posted on 5/27/22 at 7:18 pm to Street Hawk
I have no idea — do federal officers trump local? I would think so in these situations but I have no clue.
Posted on 5/27/22 at 7:19 pm to Street Hawk
And someone who was off duty went in and killed him.
Incompetent? They’re cowards, and the death penalty should be on the table for multiple officers in this.
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How incompetent was the Uvalde PD?
Incompetent? They’re cowards, and the death penalty should be on the table for multiple officers in this.
Posted on 5/27/22 at 7:20 pm to Street Hawk
Those chicken shite cops should get a life sentence but instead they'll get free counseling and a pension.
Posted on 5/27/22 at 7:22 pm to dbeck
Where the incompetent or following orders? The whole thing is too fishy.
Posted on 5/27/22 at 7:22 pm to Street Hawk
The fact that anyone was waiting is ridiculous. It’s not like they were charging entrenched enemy lines with machine gun nests directing crossed fire on a small point of ingress. 2-3 officers could have breached the room and had a high rate of success. And there were more than that available.
They knew where the single gunman was and knew there were wounded in there. There was no time to wait, and they were armed. If he’s firing at them it means he’s not shooting kids. You draw his fire and return it, and other officers can approach from windows and… I mean it’s embarrassing that I even need to point this shite out! I’m getting pissed writing this!
They knew where the single gunman was and knew there were wounded in there. There was no time to wait, and they were armed. If he’s firing at them it means he’s not shooting kids. You draw his fire and return it, and other officers can approach from windows and… I mean it’s embarrassing that I even need to point this shite out! I’m getting pissed writing this!
This post was edited on 5/27/22 at 7:30 pm
Posted on 5/27/22 at 7:22 pm to Street Hawk
It seems like border patrol would have a higher level of authority being a federal agency, but I have no idea.
Posted on 5/27/22 at 7:24 pm to Street Hawk
It’s almost like they purposely allowed it to happen…
This post was edited on 5/27/22 at 7:25 pm
Posted on 5/27/22 at 7:28 pm to Swagga
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It seems like border patrol would have a higher level of authority being a federal agency, but I have no idea.
Not really, this is a really a local cop issue. Sheriff/Uvalde City Police (if any)/ISD Police (if any). But if the locals aren’t going to do anything then absolutely let the border patrol do something.
Posted on 5/27/22 at 7:29 pm to Street Hawk
Entire Uvalde PD and the separate CISD school police should be disbanded. Start from scratch.
Posted on 5/27/22 at 7:31 pm to Street Hawk
Man they look worse and worse by the day
Posted on 5/27/22 at 7:32 pm to Blitzed
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It’s almost like they purposely allowed it to happen…
Yeah these developments won't help dampen the inevitable conspiracies.
Posted on 5/27/22 at 7:37 pm to fr33manator
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other officers can approach from windows
That's one of the first thing that came to mind. Did no one think of even peeking thru the window of the classroom to assess what's going on inside the classroom in those 60 mins? It's the first thing they show in fricking movies. It makes my blood boil.
Posted on 5/27/22 at 7:39 pm to broadhead
Following incompetent orders is t anymore excusable.
Posted on 5/27/22 at 7:43 pm to Street Hawk
Initially I took a "wait and see" approach in regards to the police involved. I saw no good in piling on and shitting all over them from the jump until we learned more about what actually happened.
Now, we've learned plenty. They had no business being police officers. Top to bottom that police department let their community down on what was their worst day and could have been the department's finest hour. They didn't just try and fail, they refused to even try. That is inexcusable.
Now, we've learned plenty. They had no business being police officers. Top to bottom that police department let their community down on what was their worst day and could have been the department's finest hour. They didn't just try and fail, they refused to even try. That is inexcusable.
Posted on 5/27/22 at 7:43 pm to Street Hawk
Less than 60 seconds and I’ve got an attack plan, multiple points of ingress with a single shooter and you are drawing fire away from the innocent where seconds matter. YOU DO NOT WAIT! You attack and draw fire by design! Overwhelm and neutralize and then tend to the wounded. And these were officers with vests and weapons! Odds are outside a head shot anyone wounded could have been saved along with who knows how many innocent kids bleeding out!
frick! My blood pressure is high enough as it is I need to just stop thinking about this.
frick! My blood pressure is high enough as it is I need to just stop thinking about this.
Posted on 5/27/22 at 7:53 pm to Street Hawk
Experience from Columbine was to not to wait. Rush in to buy time or kill target.
How, after 25+ years, a PD can be so unprepared and with all the Federal funding…….
Posted on 5/27/22 at 7:54 pm to Street Hawk
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agents from Border Patrol and Immigration and Customs Enforcement arrived at some point between 12 and 12:10 p.m.
And yet it still took almost an hour to kill the son of a bitch.
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The officials said that members of the Uvalde Police Department kept the federal agents from going in sooner.
How? I'm still at a loss why no one with a gun took it upon themselves to run in. UPD, BP, US Marshals, whoever. Say "frick all this noise, I'm going in."
Posted on 5/27/22 at 8:00 pm to LegendInMyMind
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Initially I took a "wait and see" approach in regards to the police involved. I saw no good in piling on and shitting all over them from the jump until we learned more about what actually happened.
That's how I've felt and hadn't been able to catch up on details until the last couple of hours. Every report, presser, or interview is damning them more and more. I understand that people can freeze during a moment like that, but doing NOTHING after 60-90 minutes of fricking hearing gunshots in a school?
I honestly don't understand how at least 2 of them didn't just take matters in their own hands. 5 minutes, ok maybe I can see that.
But 30 minutes? 60 minutes?
Yet, this story is going to eventually disappear just like the Las Vegas massacre. We're never going to know exactly what happened here. There is something very bizarre here.
This post was edited on 5/27/22 at 8:39 pm
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