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re: Are we pretty certain the #1 pick this year (NBA) won't be the best player?
Posted on 5/18/22 at 6:39 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 5/18/22 at 6:39 pm to SlowFlowPro
I mean “really tall Klay Thompson” (Smith) and “bigger Tobias Harris” (Banchero) are absolutely the kinds of players who can make 5-6 All Star teams and earn a quarter billion dollars or more by the time they’re 33.
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Posted on 5/18/22 at 6:40 pm to SlowFlowPro
I’m not sold on Chet at all. With all of his skills and length, he wasn’t an amazing offensive player in college. I don’t see him cooking guys in the NBA. And defensively, he could hang out in the paint in college and block or alter shots with his length. I think he can still have some success there, but I don’t think he’s going to be a game-changing center. I’m just not sold on him at all.
I haven’t watched much of Jabari Smith yet, so I don’t know too much about him except for that he’s a good defender and can shoot.
As for Banchero, he’s 6’10” and solid and can create his own shot, he can take guys off the dribble, and he can pass and facilitate. He’s also a decent shooter and has a fluid shot that he can improve on. I think he has the most offensive talent of the three top prospects. His defense needs work, but I don’t see any reason why he can’t improve there. Much of his problems on defense seemed like a lack of focus or effort.
I haven’t watched much of Jabari Smith yet, so I don’t know too much about him except for that he’s a good defender and can shoot.
As for Banchero, he’s 6’10” and solid and can create his own shot, he can take guys off the dribble, and he can pass and facilitate. He’s also a decent shooter and has a fluid shot that he can improve on. I think he has the most offensive talent of the three top prospects. His defense needs work, but I don’t see any reason why he can’t improve there. Much of his problems on defense seemed like a lack of focus or effort.
Posted on 5/19/22 at 6:54 am to SlowFlowPro
IMO, Bachero is the player most likely to be an All-NBA down the road.
This post was edited on 5/19/22 at 6:55 am
Posted on 5/19/22 at 7:01 am to HangmanPage1
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More so than not, the draft rarely contains day 1 superstars. Everyone is a project down the road. I feel like the one and done rule needs to go and they need to stay three years in college and develop their game.
Players develop better in the NBA. Why you want superstars but then want to thwart their development by having them stay in college is beyond me.
Posted on 5/19/22 at 9:33 am to Madking
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Like that comparison because they’re both really 3s who had to play 4 in college which kind of limited us seeing them in playmaking situations. Smith is somewhere in between Durant and Tatum with the combination of size and polish. Probably could’ve scored 23-25 per game at auburn if he’d have taken more than 12 shots per game.
Durant - 18.5 attempts, 25.8ppg
Smith- 12.6 attempts, 16.9ppg
At 18.5 attempts Smith would’ve averaged 24.8ppg
How you can read what everyone says about Smith, then post these stats, and then somehow still argue that Durant is a good comparison for Smith is kind of mind blowing. Why do you think he doesn't get nearly as many attempts as KD? It's because he's not great a creating his own shot. He's 6'10" but shot under 45% from inside the 3 point line. He's simply not very good at driving to and finishing at the rim yet. Nobody's saying he's completely incapable of doing it, but it's not at all a strength of his game, particularly compared to other prospects.
But look, I've still got him as my top prospect in the draft, and as a Rockets fan I'm really hoping he somehow slips to us. We just don't need to make him out to be something he's not. The 6'10" Klay Thompson comp was spot on, IMO. You're not going to throw him the ball at the top of the key and ask him to get you a bucket super often. But if you pair him with a good passer he's going to make you pay anytime you give him a inch. He'll be able to give you an easy 20+ a night just fitting into the offense, and combine that with elite defense and you've got an incredibly valuable player.
I think it's fair to say though, that both Chet and Banchero have higher ceilings. If Chet can add a bunch of muscle and stay healthy and rounds out all the skills he already has, he'll be a better player than Jabari can be. If Banchero commits to being a great defender and becomes a knock down shooter, he'll be a better player than Jabari can be. But I wouldn't rate either Chet or Banchero as super likely to fulfill their potential. So to answer Slo's original question, yeah I guess you're admitting that he might not be the best player in the draft, but I don't think you're admitting that he's definitely not the best player in the class.
Posted on 5/19/22 at 9:39 am to TallMan
If you can get the best 3 and D player in the league (Klay comparison) is that worth the first pick? probably so, most years. I think that is was SFP is talking about when he said you know you aren’t getting the best player. But Klay is the best “3 and D” player of all time so it would be a little ambitious to expect smith to be Klay.
Posted on 5/19/22 at 9:46 am to Madking
Smith has to handle better if he’s gonna live up to being the #1 overall pick… can do pretty much everything else at an elite level.
Imo Banchero has the best chances of the 3 at being a superstar, but we’ll see.
Imo Banchero has the best chances of the 3 at being a superstar, but we’ll see.
Posted on 5/19/22 at 10:14 am to volfan30
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Synergy numbers over the course of the season show that he is not very advanced at all as a creator or finisher and he really struggled with teams who got into him and made him go around them.
There is definitely validity to question his ability to go inside and make shots, because he struggles with that right now. But where you and Slow are wrong is what you are saying is the reason for it. Jabari has very solid handles, he dribbles very well, that's not the problem.
His problem is he isn't physical enough yet and doesn't have the experience going to the hole. The physical aspect will come as he bulks up a little bit,his attitude is fine as far as being physical goes. Fixing the other part will be the difference between him being a great 3 and d player or a super star.
Posted on 5/19/22 at 10:37 am to Boomshockalocka
Yeah I 100% think Smith is the easy 1.1, but I think it has to be in the back of every GM's head that he's not more likely than not to be the best guy in the draft. People have turned this into me hating on him and I'm not. The same issues apply to the other 2 guys in the top tier, also, and it's easy for people to accept that argument (if either of them goes #1).
And I almost made a "taller Klay" comp in OP so I think most everyone agrees what his likely ceiling is, other than that one guy.
And I almost made a "taller Klay" comp in OP so I think most everyone agrees what his likely ceiling is, other than that one guy.
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