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Another Point of View on Abortion
Posted on 5/5/22 at 9:12 am
Posted on 5/5/22 at 9:12 am
Firstly, I am NOT pro abortion. Actually, I'm not sure where I land on this. For me it has a lot to do with the unanswered question "when does life begin?".
If we knew that, with a strong degree of certainty, it would be more clear to me as to what my stand on abortion was.
But, in an effort to be open minded about this stuff, I will share this meme that a Lib friend of mine posted:
It's certainly a different way to consider the issue.
What's your thoughts?
If we knew that, with a strong degree of certainty, it would be more clear to me as to what my stand on abortion was.
But, in an effort to be open minded about this stuff, I will share this meme that a Lib friend of mine posted:
It's certainly a different way to consider the issue.
What's your thoughts?
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Posted on 5/5/22 at 9:16 am to TygerTyger
That argument holds no water. No right to use my body to save someone else's life? It is apple to oranges. That baby is dependent on your body for life and you made the choice to put it there, or the choice that resulted in it being there.
The difference is responsibility, which most of these vile people don't want and won't take.
I think maybe the sickest thing about this whole deal is that these vile people just think about it as killing someone else. That someone else is part of you, it is family. And, you just want to kill it off because you can't deal with it? It is an inconvenience? Sick.
The difference is responsibility, which most of these vile people don't want and won't take.
I think maybe the sickest thing about this whole deal is that these vile people just think about it as killing someone else. That someone else is part of you, it is family. And, you just want to kill it off because you can't deal with it? It is an inconvenience? Sick.
This post was edited on 5/5/22 at 9:20 am
Posted on 5/5/22 at 9:17 am to TygerTyger
Your friend did not post that.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 9:17 am to TygerTyger
I think any point of view that relates abortion to blood and organ donation is lacking discernment at the most basic level.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 9:18 am to TygerTyger
quote:
I will share this meme that a Lib friend of mine posted:
Having a lib friend is generally a bad idea.
Sharing one of their memes is almost always a bad idea.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 9:19 am to TygerTyger
What the pro-choice people fail to realize, it's not about their life, it is about the babies. By the very legal definition, it is murder. The "it's my body" argument is bs, nobody is concerned with their body, that is why anti-abortion people are called pro-life.
This post was edited on 5/5/22 at 9:20 am
Posted on 5/5/22 at 9:19 am to TygerTyger
Here is the glaring thing that is yet again missing.
Where is MORALITY? You take morality out of the picture, then fine.
As soon as GOD is taken out of the picture, anything goes. This is the problem with this abortion discourse - religious folk argue from a completely different framework perspective and secularists argue from one that is diametrically opposed in worldview and framework.
There is no resolution when two parties are arguing from completely different contexts.
Where is MORALITY? You take morality out of the picture, then fine.
As soon as GOD is taken out of the picture, anything goes. This is the problem with this abortion discourse - religious folk argue from a completely different framework perspective and secularists argue from one that is diametrically opposed in worldview and framework.
There is no resolution when two parties are arguing from completely different contexts.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 9:21 am to TygerTyger
The problem is that the body of the mother and the body of the child are intertwined during pregnancy. It's not JUST the mother's body, which is where the argument falls down. One way to look at this is that you're typically allowed to do whatever you want with your own body until it harms the body of another person. In this case, the mother cannot do what would cause harm to the body of the child growing inside her. This includes abortion, but it also includes things like drinking alcohol while pregnant, which many states have made illegal.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 9:21 am to TygerTyger
quote:That it's dumb AF.
What's your thoughts?
Posted on 5/5/22 at 9:22 am to TygerTyger
I can boil it down even easier so even a TigerDroppings reader can understand. Is it in the constitution - Yes/No?
Posted on 5/5/22 at 9:23 am to TygerTyger
The woman still has her body whether she has an abortion or not, thus it's not a question of "my body/my choice".
What's being impacted is the baby's body, and they are given no choice. If the stance is "bodily autonomy" then you have to take the baby's body into account as well because the destruction of the baby's body is the totality of the choice the woman is making.
What's being impacted is the baby's body, and they are given no choice. If the stance is "bodily autonomy" then you have to take the baby's body into account as well because the destruction of the baby's body is the totality of the choice the woman is making.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 9:24 am to FooManChoo
quote:
The problem is that the body of the mother and the body of the child are intertwined during pregnancy.
And they admit this every time they say they want abortion to be rare. If it's just a clump of cells why should it be rare? Should cutting your fingernails be rare?
Posted on 5/5/22 at 9:24 am to TygerTyger
quote:
"when does life begin?".
Google's definition of life cycle: the series of changes in the life of an organism including reproduction.
I hope that answers your question.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 9:25 am to TygerTyger
quote:
What's your thoughts?
That the meme is idiotic. No one is forcing a woman to do anything she did not sign up for when she had sex. No one is forcing her to pick up a fetus over in the corner and jam it into her womb and carry it for 9 months.
She helped PUT IT THERE.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 9:26 am to TygerTyger
Seems like a convenient cop out for immoral behavior
Posted on 5/5/22 at 9:27 am to TygerTyger
Let me offer my point of view to the board:
It doesn't matter if you don't want the baby.
It doesn't matter.
You can't kill the baby.
The end.
It doesn't matter if you don't want the baby.
It doesn't matter.
You can't kill the baby.
The end.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 9:28 am to subotic
They make the point that you can't be forced to save another life, which is true, but at no point can I choose to end a life except in extreme cases like taking somebody off of life support.
I have had family members with terminal illnesses that suffered through excruciating pain and misery during the last few days of their life and I could not make a medical decision with a doctor to ease that suffering. I couldn't make that decision for myself if I wanted to.
And in this case, you are talking about a decision to end a life for no other reason than it being a burden to someone else. Deciding you don't want a baby comes before sex, not after.
I have had family members with terminal illnesses that suffered through excruciating pain and misery during the last few days of their life and I could not make a medical decision with a doctor to ease that suffering. I couldn't make that decision for myself if I wanted to.
And in this case, you are talking about a decision to end a life for no other reason than it being a burden to someone else. Deciding you don't want a baby comes before sex, not after.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 9:28 am to TygerTyger
What about vaccines?
Was the pro abortion crowd wanting to force vaccines on everyone? Im meaning the left/liberal/progressive/pro-abortion crowd....they wanted vax mandates, squashed alternative treatments or therapeutics and deny autonomy to those that wanted to abstain from the vax or use therapeutics.
This whole Roe v. Wade decision is only going to put the power in the hands of the states to decide.
If a person has autonomy over their body, then why is the baby in the womb denied autonomy. Why can it be enforced to endure being burned alive with a saline solution, or be sliced limb by limb and sucked out by a vacuum as the baby bounces around the womb trying to get away, or have poison injected into its body. Is this not more inhumane than putting abortion law in the hands of the states?
Was the pro abortion crowd wanting to force vaccines on everyone? Im meaning the left/liberal/progressive/pro-abortion crowd....they wanted vax mandates, squashed alternative treatments or therapeutics and deny autonomy to those that wanted to abstain from the vax or use therapeutics.
This whole Roe v. Wade decision is only going to put the power in the hands of the states to decide.
If a person has autonomy over their body, then why is the baby in the womb denied autonomy. Why can it be enforced to endure being burned alive with a saline solution, or be sliced limb by limb and sucked out by a vacuum as the baby bounces around the womb trying to get away, or have poison injected into its body. Is this not more inhumane than putting abortion law in the hands of the states?
Posted on 5/5/22 at 9:30 am to the_truman_shitshow
quote:
As soon as GOD is taken out of the picture, anything goes.
And yet, I'm atheist and am strongly against abortion. This desire to either suggest that you are only against abortion due to religious beliefs or that you can't be against abortion without them is wrong headed.
I'm against abortions because I believe there is only one shot at life. Taking it away for what amounts to, in nearly all cases, being conceived at an inconvenient time for your mother is not a good enough reason to deny that person's one shot at life. I also recognize that life begins at conception, when sperm meets egg in this case and cells begin to divide and new DNA emerges. And since it can only be human, it's human life.
This is only a religious issue if you make it one.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 9:30 am to TygerTyger
This is why the only possible exception is to save the mother's life. At that point, you are choosing between lives. Other than than, it is a choice between taking a life and making someone go through a medical procedure. Certainly not an easy thing for the woman involved, and I sympathize, but the real "choice" is easy.
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