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re: The left keep pushing back with rape and mother's life arguments
Posted on 5/5/22 at 8:23 am to Bunk Moreland
Posted on 5/5/22 at 8:23 am to Bunk Moreland
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I heard a pro-choice chick go on Fox and she made a pretty good argument that she didn't even know she was pregnant at what would be a cutoff point in some states (six weeks?).
Having seen my wife go through 3 pregnancies at this point, I am extremely doubtful that any woman "didn't even know" she was pregnant. I find it very hard to believe that is ever true.
ETA: And no, I don't think being this level of unawareness of your own body gives you license to kill another human being. If we're talking about in cases of rape, why on earth wouldn't you be getting pregnancy tests done regularly to be sure anyway? This seems like a scenario that just doesn't exist.
This post was edited on 5/5/22 at 8:33 am
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Posted on 5/5/22 at 8:25 am to imjustafatkid
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I am extremely doubtful that any woman "didn't even know" she was pregnant. I find it very hard to believe that is ever true.
I have many female friends who don't have periods for a few months at a time without being pregnant. Not every woman has your wife's cycle/body/hormones
Posted on 5/5/22 at 8:25 am to SlowFlowPro
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I have many female friends who don't have periods for a few months at a time without being pregnant.
Uh-huh. That is certainly one indicator of being pregnant. My wife knows before she's even missed the first period. Their bodies go through major changes that are not just "oh I don't have a period anymore."
This post was edited on 5/5/22 at 8:27 am
Posted on 5/5/22 at 8:27 am to TulaneFan
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I’m confused. Please elaborate which dumbass angle you wish to take
I am confused as to what confuses you.
You are utterly discounting the fully formed human an adult woman and the trauma she has gone through.
You will accuse me of emotion now.
You are using emotion of the purity of a baby to negate the woman’s right to not play out her rape everyday that she Is pregnant.
Also, “product of rape” adoptions might be a difficult sell. You HAVE to tell the adoptive parents. No?
Posted on 5/5/22 at 8:30 am to ApexTiger
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I'm curious what the board's position is relative to when you would support abortion in certain circumstances?
First, I understand that those outliers make up a tiny fraction of all abortions that take place. So as an argument, when someone brings that up first, I know I'm dealing with someone not interested in having an actual conversation about the larger issue.
That said, despite the fact that I know that killing a fetus in the womb is taking that person's inevitable life away form them, I can not bring myself to force a woman to carry to term a baby that she had because of violence. I know it's a hole in my logical argument, and that makes me uncomfortable, but not as uncomfortable as the alternative.
So yes...if all abortions were outlawed but for those cases where there was rape or incest (violent, coercive kind) or for the life of the mother due to some medical issue, then I'd be fine with that.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 8:34 am to LSU alum wannabe
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Also, “product of rape” adoptions might be a difficult sell. You HAVE to tell the adoptive parents. No?
Don't know if you have to disclose this or not, but no this would not be a difficult sell. Newborn babies who are put up for adoption are adopted at a near 100% rate.
This post was edited on 5/5/22 at 8:48 am
Posted on 5/5/22 at 8:36 am to GeauxTigerTM
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So yes...if all abortions were outlawed but for those cases where there was rape or incest (violent, coercive kind) or for the life of the mother due to some medical issue, then I'd be fine with that.
I think this would require some sort of documented evidence that this actually occurred. Like, an actual police report or a DNA test (in case of incest).
Otherwise, every woman who wants an abortion will simply claim she was raped or the baby is a product of incest, because of course she would. She's already willing to commit murder, why would telling a lie to do it stop her in any way?
Posted on 5/5/22 at 8:36 am to FooManChoo
quote:So you beleive in shutting down IVF clinics? Because they discard thousands of fertilized eggs
Rape and incest are emotional arguments for abortion rather than logical ones. If the child is human, and if the child is alive, then it doesn’t matter how it got there.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 8:36 am to teke184
I was seeing a woman and it came time to having the adult conversation about sex and protection. Whether she was on birth control, etc..
She said she wasn’t on birth control and if she had an accident she’d just get an abortion. I stopped talking to her.
That’s why women want abortions. They don’t care about the actual mothers out there just themselves.
And in some of these states on the rape issue the woman needs to have filed a police report.
She said she wasn’t on birth control and if she had an accident she’d just get an abortion. I stopped talking to her.
That’s why women want abortions. They don’t care about the actual mothers out there just themselves.
And in some of these states on the rape issue the woman needs to have filed a police report.
This post was edited on 5/5/22 at 8:40 am
Posted on 5/5/22 at 8:39 am to ApexTiger
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I'm curious what the board's position is relative to when you would support abortion in certain circumstances?
Very, very few people, including myself, have an issue with a woman getting an abortion under either of the following circumstances:
1. If the child is conceived via rape or incest
2. If it is determined that there will be quality of life issues for the child
3. If giving birth jeopardizes the health of the mother
The issue is that these retard leftists act like these make up the majority of abortions. In reality, >99% of abortions occur because the parent(s) refuses to raise a child because it is inconvenient to their lifestyle. Anyone who gets an abortion for that reason is a worthless piece of shite.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 8:39 am to jnethe1
quote:This is an equally horrible argument. It happens to THOUSANDS of women. So, you absolutely have to account for the situation. So your answer is let these women die becuase “it’s a minority of abortions”?
I mean honestly what percentage is that the reason for abortions?
Posted on 5/5/22 at 8:41 am to lsupride87
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This is an equally horrible argument. It happens to THOUSANDS of women. So, you absolutely have to account for the situation. So your answer is let these women die becuase “it’s a minority of abortions”?
If you are a doctor you treat the person.
So are all these heroes now going to let women bleed out in a table? Are you saying doctors and nurses are all sheep?
Posted on 5/5/22 at 8:43 am to dgnx6
If you make all abortions illegal, yes you will have thousands of women die every year with ectopic pregnancies alone
That’s not an emotional argument, it’s just the facts
That’s not an emotional argument, it’s just the facts
This post was edited on 5/5/22 at 8:44 am
Posted on 5/5/22 at 8:47 am to Oddibe
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I’m not Catholic….But you bring up a good point….why hasn’t the Catholic Church, loudly and publicly, excommunicated every political figure in favor of abortion?
Good question. Pope Francis gets a lot of heat for being “liberal” but he has been extremely clear about his feelings that abortion is a grave sin.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 8:48 am to ApexTiger
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I'm curious what the board's position is relative to when you would support abortion in certain circumstances
I think my sate Congress and Governor (OK) just pretty much got it right.
They banned abortions with the exception of rape, incest, and medical emergency/life of mother in jeopardy situations.
Next, they banned any and all remaining abortions past 6 weeks, with the lone exception being medical emergency/life of mother in jeopardy.
That's pretty much acceptable to be. And for states like California pushing back by literally encouraging abortions within their state borders and putting in "abortion express lines", that's what they say they want, and that's their right to do so under the Constitution of the United States.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 8:49 am to goodshotred2
quote:I do not consider it a gray area because the best argument against abortion is the life of the child. The child had nothing to do with rape or incest.
However, when it comes to things like rape or incest, there is definitely a gray area.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 8:50 am to VADawg
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Very, very few people, including myself, have an issue with a woman getting an abortion under either of the following circumstances:
1. If the child is conceived via rape or incest
2. If it is determined that there will be quality of life issues for the child
3. If giving birth jeopardizes the health of the mother
The issue is that these retard leftists act like these make up the majority of abortions. In reality, >99% of abortions occur because the parent(s) refuses to raise a child because it is inconvenient to their lifestyle. Anyone who gets an abortion for that reason is a worthless piece of shite.
Yes. If this was actually what the left wanted, I could at least understand that argument. I still wouldn't agree with it, but at least it would be honest.
In reality, they're simply using these things as a cover for the fact that what they really want is abortion on demand and for any reason, even right up until after the baby is born.
This post was edited on 5/5/22 at 8:53 am
Posted on 5/5/22 at 8:52 am to dgnx6
I’ve had a situation like that in my past.
Gal and I were discussing being together (dating, not serious). She wanted no protection and wanted an OK beforehand that anything happening would result in an abortion rather than a child.
I could have said OK and been able to spray her guts long term but I answered honestly about abortion and it didn’t end up happening as a result.
Gal and I were discussing being together (dating, not serious). She wanted no protection and wanted an OK beforehand that anything happening would result in an abortion rather than a child.
I could have said OK and been able to spray her guts long term but I answered honestly about abortion and it didn’t end up happening as a result.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 8:53 am to imjustafatkid
quote:I don’t know a single person that wants certain abortion rights that wants that. You must hang out or know some real monsters
. In reality, they're simply using these things as a cover for the fact that what they really want is abortion on demand and for any reason, even right up until after the baby is born.
Posted on 5/5/22 at 8:57 am to imjustafatkid
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I think this would require some sort of documented evidence that this actually occurred. Like, an actual police report or a DNA test (in case of incest).
Otherwise, every woman who wants an abortion will simply claim she was raped or the baby is a product of incest, because of course she would. She's already willing to commit murder, why would telling a lie to do it stop her in any way?
100%. In fact, I'm quite sure that if laws would be written like what I've proposed, we'd suddenly see an exponential rise in claims of rape in America. Obviously there would have to be some level of scrutiny imposed.
Regardless, this would cut back drastically on the number of abortions which would be a good thing.
That said, it wasn't that long ago that the religious, specifically Catholics, were vehemently against all forms of birth control other than the Rhythm Method. It's pointed to as a huge reason when AIDS spreads like it does in Africa as the church there strongly discourages condom use. So, in addition to these laws I'd be happy for a portion of the money currently being poured into places like Planned Parenthood to go towards making available birth control to those who cold not afford it or had access t it, which honestly would also be a small percentage. Hell, I'd even be happy to pay for COMPLETELY VOLUNTARY vasectomies and the like.
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