For those outraged about civilian casualties in Ukrain

Do you want me to get up here and defend any state in any war? Not happening. Russia is fricked up too.

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Just the other day, I watched one of the retired US Generals make the comment
“America doesn’t fight wars like that”


Does anybody remember WWII?

And I’m not even talking about the Atom bombs

We bombed the frick out of hundreds of thousands of Japanese civilians and cities

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Your point is absurd. America didn't just invade Japan willy nilly.

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We bombed the frick out of hundreds of thousands of Japanese civilians and cities

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We bombed and fire bombed the frick out of Germany.

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Hamburg Bombing

WW2 allied forces fricked civilians up here.

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July 1943, code named Operation Gomorrah, created one of the largest firestorms raised by the Royal Air Force and United States Army Air Forces in World War II,[2] killing an estimated 37,000 civilians and wounding 180,000 more in Hamburg, and virtually destroying most of the city.

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We did it to make our enemies want to quit

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That's a military purpose

I think the distinction is we didn't (in WWII) start an unnecessary war without serious provocation AND THEN commit war crimes, as Russia is likely doing.

Skipping over the part where Ukraine was largely doing nothing and Russia decided to invade it and resorted to bombing civilian areas to try and break the will of the non-aggressor state is the absurd part

Fair enough, now do Iraq.

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Just the other day, I watched one of the retired US Generals make the comment “America doesn’t fight wars like that”

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And we haven’t won a war since WWII when we did bomb civilians.

I don’t think you can truly win a war unless the civilian population says no more.

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That's a military purpose

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As distasteful as Russia’s and Putin’s actions might be, when Zelensky armed the general populace, he created an entire host of combatants that cannot be separated from the populace.

It is a military purpose as well.

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As distasteful as Russia’s and Putin’s actions might be, when Zelensky armed the general populace, he created an entire host of combatants that cannot be separated from the populace.

It is a military purpose as well.

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If we're going to speak academically on the topic of warfare, yes, I agree. But if we're talking about the conflict overall, it seems silly and/or dishonest to skip over the unilateral nature of the conflict growing into an invasion.