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re: For those outraged about civilian casualties in Ukrain
Posted on 3/23/22 at 8:52 pm to Pettifogger
Posted on 3/23/22 at 8:52 pm to Pettifogger
We didn’t start WW2, but we certainly committed war crimes in the process of defeating who did start things.
Are we as bad as Putin? Of course not. But let’s be honest. Once the shooting started, we went all in and didn’t give a frick about ethics or civilian casualties
Are we as bad as Putin? Of course not. But let’s be honest. Once the shooting started, we went all in and didn’t give a frick about ethics or civilian casualties
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Posted on 3/23/22 at 8:53 pm to Gaggle
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On March 10, 1945 over 100,000 civilians residents of Tokyo died from our bombing. In one day.
frick around and find out
Posted on 3/23/22 at 8:56 pm to Pettifogger
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and/or dishonest to skip over the unilateral nature of the conflict growing into an invasion.
Then don’t skip over the election meddling that lead to Crimea in 2014 and the threat of joining NATO right up to the invasion. Not saying it justifies an invasion but the invasion did not come without provocation as well.
This post was edited on 3/23/22 at 8:57 pm
Posted on 3/23/22 at 8:56 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Question: do you think this type of shite on this board is performative/trolling, or have actual college graduates become this deranged? This is a serious question.
First tons of these dudes didn't graduate college, not that it's a major prerequisite or separator for ridiculousness vs. sanity.
But I think it's largely reactionary. Which is ironic considering the views we hold of the other side. For example, "Elites are manipulating and conspiring against us so we'll run to this counter-elite contingent (consisting largely of elites) and wholesale ignore their potential nefarious motives and how they too might be manipulating us." With Putin the board at large just completely ignores that like every other abusive leader, he's likely FOS. It's just such a huge blindspot, it's hard to comprehend.
Posted on 3/23/22 at 8:57 pm to Pettifogger
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Skipping over the part where Ukraine was largely doing nothing and Russia decided to invade it and resorted to bombing civilian areas to try and break the will of the non-aggressor state is the absurd part
How do you know this?
I don’t know anything
But I do know this
NATO threatening to include Ukraine
Several biological labs on the Russian border.
Those are facts
Don’t forget the bay of pigs
JFK almost started a nuclear war because the Soviets were moving into Cuba
Posted on 3/23/22 at 8:58 pm to Rohan Gravy
quote:Yeaaah, there is no difference in technology between now and 1945.
Does anybody remember WWII?
And I’m not even talking about the Atom bombs
We bombed the frick out of hundreds of thousands of Japanese civilians and cities
Posted on 3/23/22 at 8:59 pm to Rohan Gravy
Most people don't realize Japan killed more people than Nazi Germany in WW2, they were absolute savages. They committed horrific atrocities on women, children, & POW's. They deserved everything they got from us.
Having said that, my parents lived in Okinawa for a few years & said the people were great.
Having said that, my parents lived in Okinawa for a few years & said the people were great.
Posted on 3/23/22 at 9:00 pm to Rohan Gravy
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NATO threatening to include Ukraine
Several biological labs on the Russian border.
Those are facts
So what
Posted on 3/23/22 at 9:00 pm to Rohan Gravy
quote:That's a very important word.
almost
Nobody died.
Posted on 3/23/22 at 9:01 pm to Gaggle
quote:How many would have died world wide had the war continued for a couple of more years?
On March 10, 1945 over 100,000 civilians residents of Tokyo died from our bombing. In one day.
Posted on 3/23/22 at 9:01 pm to LSUBadger
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We didn’t start WW2, but we certainly committed war crimes in the process of defeating who did start things.
I don't think anyone disagrees. I think the public debate over Putin's war crimes is largely silly. It's not intended to be a serious discussion/debate on war crimes, it's just damning language that makes for soundbites and can be used to heighten interest in the war to fulfill all sorts of motivations (ad revenue for media, to get NATO involved, etc. etc.).
The egregious act was starting the war, which meant soldiers of Russia and Ukraine would die in an unnecessary conflict, and civilians of Ukraine would die regardless of Russia's intent. That Putin is probably recklessly or intentionally causing deaths of Ukrainian citizens can't be usefully segregated from his decision to start the conflict.
Posted on 3/23/22 at 9:02 pm to thelawnwranglers
quote:Our military and CIA has fricked around a lot overseas. We as civilians didn't control it. One of the places we frick around a lot was the middle east. I guess on 9/11 we found out. And if Russia nukes us we'll find out.
frick around and find out
Posted on 3/23/22 at 9:02 pm to Rohan Gravy
Times change.
The statement "America doesn't endorse slavery" is just as true or as false as the statement you're referencing.
I think we're safe making statements like that considering virtually everyone who participated in WWII is deceased.
The statement "America doesn't endorse slavery" is just as true or as false as the statement you're referencing.
I think we're safe making statements like that considering virtually everyone who participated in WWII is deceased.
Posted on 3/23/22 at 9:03 pm to Pettifogger
We can argue all day long about the justifications for Russia and their invasion. The reality is the way Ukraine is choosing to fight results in forcing Russia’s hand. The same way our hand was forced in Afghanistan. Choosing to wage a guerrilla warfare insurgency will result in much higher civilian casualties. Which is what this thread is about.
Posted on 3/23/22 at 9:04 pm to Gaggle
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Our military and CIA has fricked around a lot overseas. We as civilians didn't control it. One of the places we frick around a lot was the middle east. I guess on 9/11 we found out. And if Russia nukes us we'll find out.
Lots of European countries haven't fricked around in the Middle East and are still the target of recent terrorist attacks. Pretty sure they're just upset at people who don't live exactly like them. Sorta like progressives.
Posted on 3/23/22 at 9:06 pm to Pettifogger
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That Putin is probably recklessly or intentionally causing deaths of Ukrainian citizens can't be usefully segregated from his decision to start the conflict.
Not defending Putin because he is and has always been a POS but a lot of what you are seeing is a direct result of the organization of Russia’s military.
Their communication and leadership is severely lacking when it comes to junior officers and their NCOs. That is not a good recipie for minimizing civilian casualties in any scenario.
Posted on 3/23/22 at 9:08 pm to Gaggle
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CIA has fricked around a lot overseas
True
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And if Russia nukes us we'll find out.
Will be dead
Posted on 3/23/22 at 9:08 pm to Billy Rocks
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Then don’t skip over the election meddling that lead to Crimea in 2014 and the threat of joining NATO right up to the invasion. Not saying it justifies an invasion but the invasion did not come without provocation as well.
There was no imminent threat of NATO membership. Putin had done this and bluffed the previous year, in addition to waging a war in the Donbas (and I acknowledge Ukraine's role here too) for the better part of a decade. The pretext for invasion was de-nazification and to stop a genocide that wasn't occurring. The messiness of that should invalidate any sympathy on our end to Russia's plight prior to the invasion.
I can look at this through Russian eyes and comprehend how they got to the point of invasion, but that involves a contorted view of the risk of Russia that simply doesn't align with reality. Being able to do that as an academic exercise doesn't mean as an outsider I have to agree it is a reasonable reaction to whatever provocation occurred. In my view it's the same as Versailles, we can evaluate it for sport but it doesn't in anyway change the attribution of moral blame/fault.
Posted on 3/23/22 at 9:12 pm to TexasForever
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Most people don't realize Japan killed more people than Nazi Germany in WW2, they were absolute savages. They committed horrific atrocities on women, children, & POW's. They deserved everything they got from us.
Please don’t confuse my post with what the nazis and japs did
I worked with a man for several years that was in the death march in Japan
He hated the japs till the day he died
Posted on 3/23/22 at 9:13 pm to Pettifogger
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The messiness of that should invalidate any sympathy on our end to Russia's plight prior to the invasion.
I do not have any sympathy for either party in this conflict. It is possible to examine the recent history surrounding what brought them to this point and conclude that there is plenty of fault on both sides.
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