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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 9/13/23 at 7:59 am to cypher
Posted on 9/13/23 at 7:59 am to cypher
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Photo of Russian ship hit in #Sevastopol after night attack appeared online
The photo probably shows a large Russian landing ship "Minsk".
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Very significant language from the Putin-Kim meeting, where Kim claims Russia is waging a "sacred struggle", and says that he "always supported and supports all decisions by President Putin."
Elsewhere Kim says relations with Russia are North Korea's "foremost priority". This will not go unnoticed by the Chinese.
Perhaps a bit early to say but I think what we are seeing here is the emergence of a de facto alliance between Pyongyang and Moscow. That is a major development with significant regional implications, which will have the following elements:
1) Increasing military cooperation between Moscow and Pyongyang, including high tech cooperation (space & missiles)
2) Naval visits, joint exercises
3) The unraveling of the sanctions regime (at least from the Russian side. Will be interesting to see what the Chinese make of it).
4) Possibly, return of North Korean workers to Russia, maybe in substantial numbers (as construction workers);
5) Probably (and most disturbingly) a greater militancy and assertiveness by North Korea, contributing to tensions in the Korean Peninsula.
6) I doubt we'll see Korean "volunteers" on the frontlines in Ukraine, but it'll be interesting to see how long it takes before North Korean artillery makes an appearance. Both Kim and Putin emphasized comradeship of the Korean War (surely not out of purely historical interest).
We have not seen such a close alignment between Moscow and Pyongyang since before 1956, but worth remembering that today's relationship is one between two nuclear-armed powers. Creates a different dynamic.
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#UPDATE: Russia's Defence Ministry says that two warships were damaged in a Ukrainian missile attack on Sevastopol last night, adding that "both ships will be restored" - RIA
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Posted on 9/13/23 at 9:34 am to Athanatos
One of the graving dry docks, perhaps damage to the adjacent one as well. There are two of them plus a floating dry dock.
Posted on 9/13/23 at 9:35 am to Coeur du Tigre
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"Former Austrian Foreign Minister and close friend of Putin Karin Kneissl
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She knows too much about the current very numerous Russian assets in Austria
Austria has long been sold out/bought or compromised by Russians. What has gone on there is worse than the Russians in London.
This post was edited on 9/13/23 at 3:53 pm
Posted on 9/13/23 at 11:45 am to GOP_Tiger
https://twitter.com/UKikaski/status/1701890251306762666
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Russian authorities confirm the Minsk landing ship and and Rostov-on-Don submarine were "completely destroyed" in last nights attack on the RusNavy base in occupied Sevastopol, Crimea, Ukraine. In addition, the city of Sevastopol devolved into complete chaos last night resulting in the friendly-fire deaths of local police and military personnel.
Two ships have been lost forever, many dead and fire on their own. What really happened at night in Sevastopol?
We learned about the consequences of the enemy's attack on the Sevmorzavod (dry dock/shipyard) in Sevastopol tonight. Sources in the Black Sea Fleet, in the General Staff and in the Sevastopol government told us the following:
First, unfortunately, as a result of the missile strike, 11 people were killed - factory workers and the military. 31 people, according to the latest data, were injured.
Secondly, the missiles completely destroyed two of our vessels – the large landing ship Minsk and the submarine Rostov-on-Don. Both vessels that were here for repair are not subject to restoration. In addition, two more vessels have been damaged at the Sevmorzavod, and it may be possible to restore them. The interlocutors refused to say the names of these ships, "so that the enemy would not receive valuable information about the result of his terrorist attack."
Thirdly, according to updated data, eight enemy missiles and two naval drones were fired at Sevastopol. The drones were destroyed, and only two of the missiles were shot down, so the damage from the impact is so serious. Sevastopol Governor Mikhail Razvozhaev has already demanded to strengthen the city's air defense.
By the way, we wrote a week ago that the shelling of Sevastopol would be intensified, the head of the city also knew about this. And he "does not understand how it was possible not to strengthen the defense of the city, despite all the warnings."
Fourthly, due to a missile strike at night, a panic began in Sevastopol. The police received information that saboteurs were operating in the city, and sent several outfits to search for them. One of them mistook an armed military patrol for saboteurs and opened fire on his own. As a result of the shootout, four people were killed - three soldiers and one policeman."
Images below of fire in Sevastopol and current NASA FIRMS satellite imagery of the fires there.
Posted on 9/13/23 at 1:01 pm to Chromdome35
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One of them mistook an armed military patrol for saboteurs and opened fire on his own. As a result of the shootout, four people were killed - three soldiers and one policeman."
So a policeman took out 3 trained soldiers? IIRC the Russians claimed 1 solider in his underwear took out an entire Ukrainian assault team in Crimea. I guess they should consider themselves lucky they didn't run into the police.
Don't know if that was just "dumb luck" or speaks to the quality of the training the Russians have been receiving.
This post was edited on 9/13/23 at 1:03 pm
Posted on 9/13/23 at 1:45 pm to Chromdome35
Posted on 9/13/23 at 1:55 pm to Chromdome35
If this is what winning for Russia looks like, I hope Russia keeps on winning.
This post was edited on 9/13/23 at 1:57 pm
Posted on 9/13/23 at 2:14 pm to Chromdome35
So if a sunken ship gets promoted to submarine what does the Rostov-on-Don get promoted to?????
Posted on 9/13/23 at 2:18 pm to StormyMcMan
Russia keeps losing vessels while locked in a land war versus an adversary that doesnt have any surface ships outside of some frickoff patrol boats and im supposed to take them seriously lmao
This post was edited on 9/13/23 at 2:20 pm
Posted on 9/13/23 at 2:37 pm to WestCoastAg
Posted on 9/13/23 at 3:20 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
They recently used SpaceX just a week or so ago. But note that the launch site is not in Russia for this one.
Posted on 9/13/23 at 3:23 pm to CitizenK
They’ve always launched from Kazakhastan.
Posted on 9/13/23 at 3:25 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
quote:Spacex can also do this.
TIL that NASA is still using Russian rockets to get astronauts to the ISS.
Posted on 9/13/23 at 3:48 pm to GOP_Tiger
6 in black Sea Fleet.
Granted not all of them are probably active buts a significant loss. Russia can't bring in new ships or remove them thanks to the treaty with Turkey
Granted not all of them are probably active buts a significant loss. Russia can't bring in new ships or remove them thanks to the treaty with Turkey
Posted on 9/13/23 at 4:01 pm to jfan244888
The one surface ship in one of the graving docks could be used to supply the southern front via Sea of Azov. Russia is already using Tokmak less as a supply hub
Posted on 9/13/23 at 4:16 pm to GOP_Tiger
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There's also likely substantial damage to the dry rock, which is the Russian navy's only large maintenance facility for the Black Sea fleet.
Also, Russia can't replace those vessels, because Turkey keeps the Bosphorus closed to warships during conflict.
The balance of power in the Black Sea shifted a bit last. Ukrainian shipping has a better chance of success, and the citizens of Odessa are safer in their homes.
Going by this it wasn't something they could sweep under the rug.
The ramifications of the these dry docks likely being out of action for quite some time are significant if the claims on the increasing production levels of Ukrainian maritime drones are true.
https://twitter.com/BlackSky_Inc/status/1701994911887679598
Close up of affected area
https://twitter.com/tom_bike/status/1702001169441214927
Before
After
Posted on 9/13/23 at 4:20 pm to StormyMcMan
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So if a sunken ship gets promoted to submarine what does the Rostov-on-Don get promoted to?????
Oscar II class.
Posted on 9/13/23 at 5:00 pm to Chromdome35
Supposedly, Ukraine has made some serious progress with autonomous drones to a point where they are going to be able to have a bunch of them patrolling and making decisions on when to strike. No humans needed. That's absolutely terrifying in terms of how it changes warfare, and society in general, moving forward.
Posted on 9/13/23 at 5:14 pm to OutsideObserver
I think Russia has to give up on the idea of Sevastopol as a major naval base going forward. In this modern era there is no way to defend it short of a complete victory for Russia. And that obviously is off the table. They should probably punt back to Socchi. But that is on the (legal) Georgia border. Tough times for Russian Black Sea fleet.
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