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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 9/13/23 at 5:40 pm to OutsideObserver
Posted on 9/13/23 at 5:40 pm to OutsideObserver
The surface ship is definitely off of its blocks. Do they flood the dock to float it out? Not so sure about the sub.
Sat photos show the doors still holding but what about pumping. valves, and piping to flood the docks or pump them dry? Substantial damage to the docks themselves could put them both out of commission.
Sat photos show the doors still holding but what about pumping. valves, and piping to flood the docks or pump them dry? Substantial damage to the docks themselves could put them both out of commission.
Posted on 9/13/23 at 6:23 pm to Lima Whiskey
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They’re attacking well prepared defensive works, without air support, through thick minefields, that the Russians can remine remotely,
they don’t have the artillery the Russians have, and they don’t have the ammunition reserves the Russian have, they’re operating a complicated mix of Western weapon systems, most of which they can not service themselves, and their men, the new recruits, have undergone inadequate accelerated training courses, and if they were NATO led, they were taught by men who may have seen low intensity fighting, but who have with no practical experience fighting a conventional war. Based on this alone, casualty figures will be bad.
My god, you truly have tertiary syphilis.
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Meanwhile, Kiev has banned the photography of cemeteries in Ukraine, and they’re building a national war cemetery outside of the Kiev with 600,000 plots.
Again, this is such an amazing sentence for reasons I don't think you'll ever be able to grasp.
Posted on 9/13/23 at 7:14 pm to CitizenK
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The surface ship is definitely off of its blocks. Do they flood the dock to float it out? Not so sure about the sub.
Sat photos show the doors still holding but what about pumping. valves, and piping to flood the docks or pump them dry? Substantial damage to the docks themselves could put them both out of commission.
If the hulls are compromised badly enough they will have to cut them up and remove the pieces via pontoon or crane. It is hard to tell if there is more than superficial damage to the drydocks themselves though several surrounding structures look to be damaged.
It is worth remembering that the Olenegorsky Gornyak is still in dry dock as well after being hit in early August.
The sub appears to have at least one extremely large hole on the starboard side towards the bow and I don't think it is going anywhere as a whole piece.
The landing craft looks like it took a serious hit midships and much of the bridge section and associated sections are seriously damaged or destroyed but it is hard to tell if the damage extends to the hull.
Will see if some of the more nautically focused accounts post higher resolution ones and share them but I have been out of country for several weeks and am using a shitty laptop which doesn't have a lot of my sources bookmarked.
Taking this latest strike in context with several other actions and events over the past month and it points towards Ukraine making a concerted and growing effort to push Russia towards seeing Sevastopol and by extant, Crimea, as untenable to hold.
Posted on 9/13/23 at 7:21 pm to crazy4lsu
ISW Update
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Ukrainian forces conducted missile strikes on occupied Sevastopol, Crimea, on September 13, damaging a Russian landing ship, a Kilo class submarine, and port infrastructure. The Department of Strategic Communications of the Ukrainian Armed Forces stated that Ukrainian forces successfully conducted missile strikes on Russian naval means and port infrastructure in occupied Sevastopol
Russian officials largely did not address the strike, while select Russian ultranationalists responded with predictable outrage. Crimean occupation officials claimed that the strikes damaged residential buildings and injured several dozen people, although they did not say whether the injured were Russian military personnel.[7] Prominent Kremlin propagandist Vladimir Solovyov expressed deep anger at the strike and called for retaliatory strikes on Western facilities that produced the alleged missiles that Ukraine used in the strike.[8] Solovyov’s call for escalation with the West is boilerplate rhetoric for his domestic audience but is not reflective of any actual Kremlin position on the matter. Russian milbloggers expressed concerns that the Ukrainian strike portends an intensification of Ukraine’s interdiction campaign targeting occupied Crimea.[9] One milblogger argued that Russian forces are unable to strike Ukrainian airfields at scale and that Russian military inaction allowed Ukrainian forces to sufficiently strengthen airfields against Russian strikes.[10]
Ukrainian forces advanced in western Zaporizhia Oblast and reportedly advanced near Bakhmut amid continued counteroffensive operations on both sectors of the front on September 13. Geolocated footage published on September 12 indicates that Ukrainian forces made limited gains south of Robotyne (12km south of Orikhiv) in western Zaporizhia Oblast.[11] The Ukrainian General Staff reported on September 13 that Ukrainian forces achieved unspecified partial successes near Robotyne as well as near Klishchiivka (7km southwest of Bakhmut), Andriivka (10km southwest of Bakhmut), and Kurdyumivka (13km southwest of Bakhmut) in the Bakhmut direction.[12]
Russian forces conducted a series of Shahed-131/136 drone strikes targeting Sumy and Odesa oblasts on the night of September 12 to 13. The Ukrainian General Staff reported that Ukrainian air defenses destroyed 34 of 45 Shaheds, which mainly targeted port infrastructure in Izmail and Reni, Odesa Oblast.
Russian President Vladimir Putin is likely concerned that Russia’s growing relationship with North Korea may endanger Russia’s existing sanctions evasion schemes. Putin met with North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un at the Vostochny Cosmodrome in Amur Oblast on September 14.[16] Putin called the meeting “productive” and reported that he and Kim had a “frank exchange of views on the situation in the region and on bilateral relations.”[17] Putin also stated that Russia continues to comply with restrictions on military-technical cooperation with North Korea but noted that within the “framework of the current rules, there are opportunities.”[18] Putin is likely neutrally portraying his meeting with Kim in order to balance Russia’s interest in acquiring North Korean artillery munitions with concerns about the risk of triggering secondary international sanctions on Russia due to potential trade with North Korea amidst increased international scrutiny of Russian sanctions evasion.
The Russian MoD reportedly temporarily disrupted a Wagner Group force rotation to Syria amid reports of the Russian MoD’s ongoing efforts to subsume Wagner operations in Syria. A prominent Kremlin-affiliated milblogger amplified a claim on September 13 that the Russian MoD blocked Wagner forces from rotating personnel from Africa through the Hmeimim airbase in Latakia, Syria, prompting the Wagner forces to negotiate with the Syrian MoD to rotate through the Tiyas airbase in Homs Governorate instead.[19] The milblogger claimed that the Russian MoD used vehicles on the runway to prevent a Wagner plane from landing at the Tiyas airbase on September 12, and then deployed helicopters threatening to shoot down a Wagner plane. The milblogger claimed that the Wagner leadership in Syria contacted Russian Deputy Defense Minister Colonel General Yunus-Bek Yevkurov who allowed the plane to land.
This reported Russian MoD-Wagner conflict in Syria suggests that elements of the Wagner Group may still have a cohesive leadership and that the MoD has deep concerns about the semi-independence of Wagner’s Syria contingent. Wagner’s ability to negotiate with senior Russian and Syrian MoD officials indicates that Wagner likely retains a cohesive-enough leadership to operate semi-independently of the Russian MoD. The Russian MoD’s decision to deny Wagner’s use of the Hmeimim airbase and disrupt the force rotation indicates that the MoD is likely concerned about Wagner’s insubordination toward the Russian military in Syria, though the precise concerns are unclear. The Wagner contingent in Syria may have better combat capabilities than Wagner contingents in other African states due to some combination of training, provisions, and organization. The MoD may also be concerned that the Syria Wagner contingent is more loyal to Prigozhin than the other Wagner arms. Syria is the only country in which the Wagner Group has a major contingent co-located with a major Russian MoD presence, and the Russian MoD detained Wagner commanders only in Syria and not elsewhere abroad following the June 24 rebellion
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Key Takeaways:
Ukrainian forces conducted missile strikes on occupied Sevastopol, Crimea, on September 13, damaging a Russian landing ship, a Kilo class submarine, and port infrastructure.
Ukrainian forces advanced in western Zaporizhia Oblast and reportedly advanced near Bakhmut amid continued counteroffensive operations on both sectors of the front on September 13.
Russian forces conducted a series of Shahed-131/136 drone strikes targeting Sumy and Odesa oblasts on the night of September 12 to 13.
Russian President Vladimir Putin is likely concerned that Russia’s growing relationship with North Korea may endanger Russia’s existing sanctions evasion schemes.
The Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) reportedly temporarily disrupted a Wagner Group force rotation to Syria amid reports of the Russian MoD’s ongoing efforts to subsume Wagner operations in Syria.
Russian forces conducted offensive operations along the Kupyansk-Svatove-Kreminna line, near Bakhmut, along the Avdiivka-Donetsk City line, in the western Donetsk-eastern Zaporizhia Oblast border area, and in western Zaporizhia Oblast but did not make any confirmed advances.
Reports from Western and Russian independent sources indicate that Russia has circumvented some Western sanctions to increase weapons production but still struggles to produce weapons at the pace required by the war in Ukraine.
The Ukrainian Main Military Intelligence Directorate (GUR) published footage showing GUR and Ukrainian partisans conducting a drone strike on a Russian occupation passportization office in occupied Enerhodar, Zaporizhia Oblast on September 12.
Posted on 9/13/23 at 8:32 pm to OutsideObserver
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The landing craft looks like it took a serious hit midships and much of the bridge section and associated sections are seriously damaged or destroyed but it is hard to tell if the damage extends to the hull.
Being knocked off its blocks, aka cribbing, could/should have damaged the hull.
Regardless, those graving docks are out of commission for further use for now and who knows how long with resources available. Note that heavylift cranes, which could lift large pieces out, likely don't exist in Russia. They've hired western cranes in recent decades.
Posted on 9/13/23 at 8:39 pm to StormyMcMan
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ISW Update - Russian occupation officials continue to deport children from occupied areas of Ukraine to Russia under the guise of recreational programs.
Utterly and totally evil.
There can be no rational justification for Russia's actions here.
I read this thread almost daily and rarely comment, but this really got my attention.
Make no mistake about Putin's ultimate objective, annihilation of a sovereign Ukraine and onward to other smaller independent Baltic countries.
Posted on 9/13/23 at 8:50 pm to Mr Breeze
Here's a regular reminder not to be so focused on the Sevastopol strikes to ignore that Russia lost a lot of other stuff today. Here's Andrew Perpetua's daily losses that he saw:
Spreadsheet with links to videos of all losses
Any day like this that I see five artillery pieces listed is a good day for the Ukrainian military, as it makes it easier to advance tomorrow than it was today.
Spreadsheet with links to videos of all losses
Any day like this that I see five artillery pieces listed is a good day for the Ukrainian military, as it makes it easier to advance tomorrow than it was today.
Posted on 9/14/23 at 3:09 am to GOP_Tiger
British Defence Intelligence
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE
14 September 2023
On 10 September 2023, Energoatom, Ukraine's nuclear power plant operator, announced it had a successfully refuelled a reactor at its Rivne Nuclear Power Plant (NPP) using Western-produced nuclear fuel assemblies.
All of Ukraine's NPPs have reactors based on Soviet designs and until February 2022 it relied on Russia for nuclear fuel. Since Russia's full-scale invasion, Ukraine has accelerated plans to diversify its supply.
With nuclear energy supplying approximately half of Ukraine's electricity, Energoatom's success in sourcing and installing Western fuel is a major waypoint in Ukraine's long-term decoupling from Russia, whose influence over Ukraine's energy supply is severely diminished.
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE
14 September 2023
On 10 September 2023, Energoatom, Ukraine's nuclear power plant operator, announced it had a successfully refuelled a reactor at its Rivne Nuclear Power Plant (NPP) using Western-produced nuclear fuel assemblies.
All of Ukraine's NPPs have reactors based on Soviet designs and until February 2022 it relied on Russia for nuclear fuel. Since Russia's full-scale invasion, Ukraine has accelerated plans to diversify its supply.
With nuclear energy supplying approximately half of Ukraine's electricity, Energoatom's success in sourcing and installing Western fuel is a major waypoint in Ukraine's long-term decoupling from Russia, whose influence over Ukraine's energy supply is severely diminished.
Posted on 9/14/23 at 3:21 am to cypher
Ukraine's Security Service and Navy conduct unique special operation near Yevpatoria in Western Crimea, north of Kalamita Bay
VALENTYNA ROMANENKO — Thursday, 14 September 2023, 10:32
The military counterintelligence of the Security Service of Ukraine and the Navy of Ukraine conducted a unique special operation near Yevpatoria on the night of 13-14 September, destroying a Russian Triumf air defence system, worth US$1.2 billion.
Source: UP’s source in the Security Service of Ukraine (SSU)
Details: The UP source says that drones and Neptun missiles attacked the target.
First, SSU drones hit the "eyes" of the system – its radars and antennas. After disabling the radar stations, Navy units hit the S300/400 Triumf launch systems, using two Neptune cruise missiles.
Ukrainska Pravda
VALENTYNA ROMANENKO — Thursday, 14 September 2023, 10:32
The military counterintelligence of the Security Service of Ukraine and the Navy of Ukraine conducted a unique special operation near Yevpatoria on the night of 13-14 September, destroying a Russian Triumf air defence system, worth US$1.2 billion.
Source: UP’s source in the Security Service of Ukraine (SSU)
Details: The UP source says that drones and Neptun missiles attacked the target.
First, SSU drones hit the "eyes" of the system – its radars and antennas. After disabling the radar stations, Navy units hit the S300/400 Triumf launch systems, using two Neptune cruise missiles.
Ukrainska Pravda
This post was edited on 9/14/23 at 3:27 am
Posted on 9/14/23 at 5:05 am to GOP_Tiger
quote:This is another of those instances when rooting diverges from reality.
The balance of power in the Black Sea shifted a bit last. Ukrainian shipping has a better chance of success
Posted on 9/14/23 at 5:32 am to NC_Tigah
No, Sevastopol is fast becoming untenable as the base of the Black Sea Fleet. The attack on the dry docks was made possible by the Ukrainian SOF work the week before which took out a S-400 system, and the work that took the oil platforms (removing Russian radar).
As just mentioned in the post above yours, Ukraine took out another S-400 system in Crimea last night, which just made Sevastopol even more vulnerable. It will be hit again soon. And then what happens when you Ukraine gets Taurus missiles and ATACMS?
The Russian navy is going to have to abandon Sevastopol. I'm not sure that this has been clear to the Russian MoD before today.
Russia cannot successfully operate the BSF from Russia -- not in the way that they have been operating it. They don't have the facilities As has already been mentioned, the only dry docks that work for the fleet are in Sevastopol. And Novorossiysk is much further from Odessa and Ukrainian shipping.
As just mentioned in the post above yours, Ukraine took out another S-400 system in Crimea last night, which just made Sevastopol even more vulnerable. It will be hit again soon. And then what happens when you Ukraine gets Taurus missiles and ATACMS?
The Russian navy is going to have to abandon Sevastopol. I'm not sure that this has been clear to the Russian MoD before today.
Russia cannot successfully operate the BSF from Russia -- not in the way that they have been operating it. They don't have the facilities As has already been mentioned, the only dry docks that work for the fleet are in Sevastopol. And Novorossiysk is much further from Odessa and Ukrainian shipping.
Posted on 9/14/23 at 6:20 am to GOP_Tiger
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The Main Intelligence Directorate of #Ukraine denies Western media reports regarding Russia's increase in the number of missiles
"Russia cannot even come close to returning to the pre-war level,” stated GUR representative Andriy Yusov.
Earlier, NYT journalists wrote that the production of missiles, tanks and other weapons in Russia exceeded pre-war levels, despite sanctions.
LINK
Rybar
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???????? Combined attack by the Ukrainian armed forces in the Black Sea
Early in the morning, Ukrainian formations carried out another attack on the Crimean peninsula. First, 11 airplane-type drones were launched from the vicinity of Odessa (for the first time in a long time, not "Mugins" were used for this purpose).
The drones were shot down by air defense forces around 5.30 am over Evpatoria. And at about 5.50 a.m. the AFU hit the vicinity of Uyutnoye with an anti-ship missile R-360 "Neptun", as a result of which a S-300 SAM launcher was hit, which was visible in the footage published on the Internet.
?? Once again, the AFU used the same tactics as they did a few weeks ago, when after the UAV raid the positions of the S-300 SAM system were identified and the Neptun was fired at it. First the AFU waited until the ammunition was exhausted and then hit the SAM.
??The AFU also attacked several times over the past two days the Black Sea Fleet's squadron of warships consisting of the "Vasily Bykov" and "Sergey Kotov". A total of 12 uncrewed boats were observed: six yesterday and another six today.
On September 13, three drones were hit by small arms from the ships, and three more by naval aviation helicopters from Kacha airfield and aboard the "Vasily Bykov". This night five were destroyed on the approach to the ships, and one managed to get close to the "Bykov" and slightly damaged the board.
LINK
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A #Russian S-400 Triumph air defense system worth $1.2 billion was destroyed near #Yevpatoria.
The special operation was carried out by the counterintelligence of the SBU and the Ukrainian Navy. UAVs and Neptune missiles worked effectively on the target.
LINK
Posted on 9/14/23 at 7:41 am to StormyMcMan
Underwater command center
Posted on 9/14/23 at 8:25 am to Camp Randall
KyivPost
@KyivPost
The Armed Force of Ukraine liberated #Andriivka in #Donetsk Region, Deputy Defense Minister Hanna Maliar reports.
UPDATE:
KyivPost reposted
KyivPost
@KyivPost
A joyous announcement about Andriivka was quickly quashed by those fighting on the ground.
Kyiv blamed a “communication breakdown between several sources of information.”
@KyivPost
The Armed Force of Ukraine liberated #Andriivka in #Donetsk Region, Deputy Defense Minister Hanna Maliar reports.
UPDATE:
KyivPost reposted
KyivPost
@KyivPost
A joyous announcement about Andriivka was quickly quashed by those fighting on the ground.
Kyiv blamed a “communication breakdown between several sources of information.”
This post was edited on 9/14/23 at 10:28 am
Posted on 9/14/23 at 9:05 am to cypher
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KyivPost
@KyivPost
The Armed Force of Ukraine liberated #Andriivka in #Donetsk Region, Deputy Defense Minister Hanna Maliar reports.
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The statement about the capture of Andriivka is false and premature. Serious and heavy fighting is currently underway in the areas of Klishchiivka and Andriivka, – the 3rd separate assault brigade.
Such statements are harmful, endanger the lives of personnel and impede the fulfillment of combat missions.
LINK
Posted on 9/14/23 at 10:25 am to CitizenK
I would just like to point out something to everyone in case it wasn’t already abundantly clear. Kyrylo Budanov, or should I say newly promoted Lt. General Kyrylo Budanov, is playing fricking chess while Russia can’t even figure out how to play checkers. Oh to be a fly on the wall when Putin got the news one of the newest submarines in the entire Russian Navy as well as the 5th landing ship are now charred paper weights. Really sucks to be the guy who had to walk in there and tell him. If there is anyone in Ukraine that Putin would love to take out I think it’s Budanov maybe even over Zelensky. That man is putting in some serious work.
Posted on 9/14/23 at 11:15 am to LSUPilot07
The S-400 destroyed last night is the same one that this Russian vacationer revealed last August [EDIT: in 2022]. Russia kept it in the same area.

This post was edited on 9/14/23 at 11:16 am
Posted on 9/14/23 at 11:27 am to GOP_Tiger
The more that I think about it, the more that I think that Ukraine could actually get something close to air superiority over Crimea once they get F-16s, GLSDB, ATACMS, and Taurus.
F-16s with HARM will aggressively hunt Russian air defense, and the ground attack missiles will render the peninsula inaccessible as a base for Russian planes. Ukrainian drones will be everywhere. The Bayraktar drones, which played a starring role early in the conflict, will again have constant eyes on everything.
Russian planes could still fly sorties over Crimea from Russia proper, and Ukraine would still have to deal with Russian MANPADS, but I think that the F-16s will match up well with Russian aircraft, and MANPADS won't be much of an issue at night.
F-16s with HARM will aggressively hunt Russian air defense, and the ground attack missiles will render the peninsula inaccessible as a base for Russian planes. Ukrainian drones will be everywhere. The Bayraktar drones, which played a starring role early in the conflict, will again have constant eyes on everything.
Russian planes could still fly sorties over Crimea from Russia proper, and Ukraine would still have to deal with Russian MANPADS, but I think that the F-16s will match up well with Russian aircraft, and MANPADS won't be much of an issue at night.
Posted on 9/14/23 at 11:27 am to GOP_Tiger
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Any day like this that I see five artillery pieces listed is a good day for the Ukrainian military, as it makes it easier to advance tomorrow than it was today.
Russia has the numbers in terms of tubes though many are old and not so accurate. Ukraine has fewer tubes, but the advantage of more with much greater accuracy in many cases and some serious counter battery power.
Posted on 9/14/23 at 11:52 am to GOP_Tiger
The F-16s Ukraine will receive are older aircraft but I can promise you they may be older but they are still a very formidable adversary for anything Russia can put in the air against it. She’s like a fly at a picnic with its agility and speed. You can try to swat it but it’s going to be right back on your arse in short order. I hope they take the proper time to train Ukrainian pilots properly and not try to cut corners to save time to get them into combat. Budanov strikes again though. As a byproduct of the successful hit on Sevastopol, the Kerch Bridge has been closed.
LINK
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This post was edited on 9/14/23 at 11:55 am
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