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re: Do you believe in an afterlife?
Posted on 2/11/22 at 11:15 am to Globetrotter747
Posted on 2/11/22 at 11:15 am to Globetrotter747
Ha. It really isn't more difficult than this. Reading people's post trying to rationalize a floating human in space as a real event is head scratching. A lot of these people are intelligent, too.
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Posted on 2/11/22 at 3:49 pm to The_Slip
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Nothing.
And what is "nothing" like? You once again suggest that you have insight into this.
This post was edited on 2/11/22 at 3:50 pm
Posted on 2/11/22 at 3:52 pm to SaintlyTiger88
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Do you believe in an afterlife?
Will there be serious strife?
Posted on 2/11/22 at 3:56 pm to HeadSlash
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Will there be serious strife?
When their lead singer started his solo career, my band got to open for him in ATL.
Posted on 2/11/22 at 4:51 pm to The_Slip
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No I wrote that to simply say that day to day living isn't evil.
I didn't say that's what you were claiming. It was just an insight into your worldview.
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I was supposed to type actual events?
You said enough.
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If i cling to anything it's Music.
Welp, there you go.
Posted on 2/11/22 at 5:25 pm to Septiger
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Afterlife. The human body is so complex and miraculous, there is no way that it wasn’t created by a supreme being..
The Universe only got nearly unlimited chances to create a world and a species like us.
To steal from poster, JustinBRLA, in the How Old is Earth thread:
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How is this hard for you to believe? Do you realize how infinitely large the universe is? Beyond anything we can fathom. The sequence of events that had to occur for life on Earth to occur is mind-boggling... but the Universe is large enough that for it to have happened SOMEWHERE is not mind-boggling at all. It's similar to the Lotto but on a far grander scale. Let me put it in perspective for you...
In our galaxy alone there are an estimated 100 BILLION stars. That's 100 BILLION potential Suns, with potential planetary systems, that include planets in the goldilocks zone where life is possible. And that's just in our galaxy. Our galaxy is one of an estimated 200 BILLION galaxies. Milky Way is average size, so lets just say 100 BILLION stars is average for a galaxy. That's 100 billion times 200 billion potential Suns with potential planetary systems...
So while the odds of the required events taking place anywhere in the Universe are massive.... they aren't so massive that it couldn't happen once in 100 billion times 200 billion potential places.
The odds of winning the Powerball are massive, but if 100 billion times 200 billion tickets were sold with the odds of winning being one in 292,000,000.... there would be approximately 68,493,150,700,000 winners.
My point is, when you use the word "chance"... consider the odds and the sheer size of the Universe as we know it
All that to say, I'm not sure what happens. I don't think I'll ever have that answer. My strongest feeling now is that there is nothing after death, just like there was nothing for me before birth.
We might only get the number of years we get on this Earth, and that is what motivates me to make the most out of my life in terms of fulfillment and enjoyment.
I hope I'm wrong and there's some universal force that brings us all together or whatever there is out there, but I don't think anyone on this planet has the answer nor do I believe we will ever find that answer in my lifetime.
Posted on 2/11/22 at 5:26 pm to SaintlyTiger88
There's thousands of accounts of where a person died and said they viewed their body and everything that was happening around them, then a being showed them a life review. Look up NDE's (near death experience) on YouTube.
Posted on 2/11/22 at 5:37 pm to Gcockboi
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There's thousands of accounts of where a person died and said they viewed their body and everything that was happening around them, then a being showed them a life review.
NDEs have always really intrigued me. I remember reading about how DMT could be released from your brain upon death, which is known to cause some trippy shite to go down. Essentially a heavenly high that recreates feelings of being with a high power and sends you on a timeless trip down the rabbit hole.
Research has also shown that the brain can remain active, on a basic level, for a certain amount of time past death. During this "time" a person loses all perception of real time and anything and everything can go down.
Not trying to discredit NDEs, but I find death and all this stuff very fascinating. None of my IRL friends like to discuss this so I'm just using this thread as my sounding board.
Posted on 2/11/22 at 8:20 pm to DirtyDawg
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The Universe only got nearly unlimited chances to create a world and a species like us.
So the Anthropic Princible.
The Anthropic Princible may explain how life evolved given a specific set of parameters, but it still doesn’t explain how life actually came into existence in the first place.
Interesting that JustinBRLA uses a lottery example to illustrate his argument. Sounds great until you realize that something had to organize the lottery in the first place for anyone to “win” it.
This post was edited on 2/11/22 at 8:31 pm
Posted on 2/11/22 at 8:26 pm to Gcockboi
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There's thousands of accounts of where a person died and said they viewed their body and everything that was happening around them, then a being showed them a life review. Look up NDE's (near death experience) on YouTube.
And people on psychedelics see all kinds of fricked up shite.
Are they really seeing it or is their brain working is weird ways?
Posted on 2/11/22 at 8:29 pm to SaintlyTiger88
Nothing. I hope it's reincarnation though
Posted on 2/12/22 at 8:35 am to Displaced
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Are they really seeing it or is their brain working is weird ways?
Yeah they're really seeing the shite. They literally see their dead body and everyone around it. Like if a person flatlines at a hospital there's been numerous accounts of the person telling the doctors word for word what they said, how many people came in the room, etc. Only stuff someone alive in that room would know. I was skeptical until I researched hundreds of NDE's. I use to think it was just DMT being released, but now believe everyone has a "soul". There's a guy on YouTube that does a NDE podcast everyday, his name is Jeff Mara. It's fascinating.
Posted on 2/12/22 at 11:05 am to SaintlyTiger88
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In your opinion, what happens after we die? Do you believe in Heaven and Hell?
ALL the following are Satanic Deception:
* Personal human theories about "fairness"
* "Karma", Mysticism, Occultism, experiences surrounding NDEs
* Wishful thinking about "second chances" (via "Reincarnation")
* Man's opinion: "'Good'-people-go-to-Heaven" (In God's eyes and presence -- and by HIS Standards, NO ONE IS "Good" enough to stand in His Presence"; ergo, "The Lamb of God" stands in our place).
Yes, there IS an "Afterlife"; Creative Rebels aren't going to like the actual lack of options.
What is to come at the ultimate Moment of Truth is recorded in the Revelation of John. God's promise to The Faithful (and un-faithful) shall prevail on what will be a very real (and terrifying for most) Judgement Day.
JUDGEMENT DAY (Sentencing OR Reward?):
"...[The] books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books."
He [God Almighty] will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God. And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away.”
(Rev 21:3,4)
Then He who sat on the throne said, “Behold, I make all things new.” And He said to me, “Write, for these words are true and faithful.”
(Rev 21:5)
And He said to me, “It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. I will give of the fountain of the water of life freely to him who thirsts. He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be My son. (Rev 21: 6,7)
THE "Eternal Death-After-Mortal Life" DOOMED
BUT the cowardly, [e]unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”
(Rev 21:6-8)
THE "Eternal Life-After-Mortal Life" SAVED
...the nations of those who are saved shall walk in its light, and the kings of the earth bring their glory and honor into it. Its gates shall not be shut at all by day (there shall be no night there). And they shall bring the glory and the honor of the nations into it. But there shall by no means enter it anything that defiles, or causes an abomination or a lie, but only those who are written in the Lamb’s Book of Life.
(Rev: 24-27)
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Posted on 2/12/22 at 11:22 am to rd280z
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Since matter cannot be created or destroyed. I believe that our life force continues, just not within our bodies after death.
Pithy, but interesting take.
This "life force" -- how and where do you perceive it manifesting itself?
Do you believe the "Universe" absorbs "Matter" by some kind of "osmosis" process?
Posted on 2/12/22 at 11:35 am to SaintlyTiger88
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Do you believe in an afterlife?
Less believe and more know it to be true.
Posted on 2/12/22 at 12:16 pm to Liberator
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ALL the following are Satanic Deception:
* Personal human theories about "fairness"
* "Karma", Mysticism, Occultism, experiences surrounding NDEs
* Wishful thinking about "second chances" (via "Reincarnation")
* Man's opinion: "'Good'-people-go-to-Heaven" (In God's eyes and presence -- and by HIS Standards, NO ONE IS "Good" enough to stand in His Presence"; ergo, "The Lamb of God" stands in our place).
Yes, there IS an "Afterlife"; Creative Rebels aren't going to like the actual lack of options.
What is to come at the ultimate Moment of Truth is recorded in the Revelation of John. God's promise to The Faithful (and un-faithful) shall prevail on what will be a very real (and terrifying for most) Judgement Day.
I mostly agree with you, but all these things you claim that are absolutely Satanic deception aren't absolute...
What about the guy that said this:
"...all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword..."- that's karma. Muchless the many proverbs and other statements regarding the golden rule etc. Even when addressing people on the everlasting soul, there is judgment...the exact expression of karma. Christianity teaches that God is the gavelbearer, whereas other religions say its a god, the universe (of God) or the like. These parallels to wisdom outside biblical teachings are no accident.
On Mysticism, Corinthians 2 specifically addresses how to attain wisdom through the Holy Spirit. If you mean Mysticism through other means, well sure, it's cautioned against due to the susceptibility to be manipulated by demons, Satan or otherwise. I think it's Corithians 2:16 almost specifically asks WWJD.
It addresses other things as well throughout your statement. But what some guy says from the front of the room almost NEVER matches what the Bible's actual words say. Sure it's great to say "never think about Reincarnation because the Bible doesn't say it!"
But it actually does glance the topic throughout the old testament as if it's a common concept of Afterlife. Jesus picked up that concept to describe to Nicodemus the path that is taken to everlasting life. We literally dip our heads in water and say praise Jesus and consider that is the lesson he taught, when he literally says "If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?"...meaning this stuff doesn't go down on Earth.
It's not as black and white as all that, because some claims of deception just aren't...the claims themselves obfuscate the truth.
Dante wrote his interpretation of those statements at the end of Purgatorio. And it's quite beautiful.
Posted on 2/12/22 at 12:30 pm to SaintlyTiger88
Anyone who doesn’t believe that life has a creator clearly has no understanding/appreciation for how complex and unlikely life truly is.
Even given Earth’s 7B years, there is no reasonable scenario in which elements happened to form themselves just right in order to seed life.
Without guidance, there’s not even a legit possibility that a amino acids correctly found themselves in the proper orientation to create a single protein.
Even given Earth’s 7B years, there is no reasonable scenario in which elements happened to form themselves just right in order to seed life.
Without guidance, there’s not even a legit possibility that a amino acids correctly found themselves in the proper orientation to create a single protein.
Posted on 2/12/22 at 1:10 pm to IceTiger
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What about the guy that said this:
"...all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword..."- that's karma...
...Christianity teaches that God is the gavelbearer, whereas other religions say its a god, the universe (of God) or the like. Parallels to wisdom outside biblical teachings are no accident.
Your observations are challenging on a couple of counts. I do agree that the similarity is no "accident" -- but why not? Could it be because God is the "programmer" of man's hardwired "wisdom"? Scripture tells us, "The Law is written on our hearts".
And yes, in a "human-justice" way,( "...all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword...") could be interpreted as "Karma". However in that specific context, Jesus was admonishing Peter who lopped off the ear of a Roman soldier when HE was apprehended. Peter knew Jesus was the Son of God.
God also says: "Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord."
(As an aside, the Bible and Jesus do NOT admonish us for righteously defending ourselves.)
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On Mysticism, Corinthians 2 specifically addresses how to attain wisdom through the Holy Spirit. If you mean Mysticism through other means, well sure, it's cautioned against due to the susceptibility to be manipulated by demons, Satan or otherwise. I think it's Corithians 2:16 almost specifically asks WWJD.
Yup. Hear ya...
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But what some guy says from the front of the room almost NEVER matches what the Bible's actual words say. Sure it's great to say "never think about Reincarnation because the Bible doesn't say it!"
But it actually does glance the topic throughout the old testament as if it's a common concept of Afterlife. Jesus picked up that concept to describe to Nicodemus the path that is taken to everlasting life.
Regarding this convo, we must remember; The OT Afterlife wasn't so clear -- other than references to Paradise (which is different than 'The Kingdom of God'), and being near "the bosom of Abraham". There are nuances, but hinting at the scripture you cited I never really considered the "Reincarnation" angle TBH. Were you construing Jesus context of convo with Nicodemus ("place or path", "earthly things") as possibly about an "Afterlife" or "Reincarnation" in an earthly realm? (as opposed to Jesus' Heavenly things" context)?
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It's not as black and white as all that, because some claims of deception just aren't...the claims themselves obfuscate the truth.
True. The Deception of Satan -- especially in The Last days -- will make discernment of truth a strong challenge. This is exactly why we are urged to strengthen our faith and put on the "armor of God" as NOT to be fooled by nuance ("Even the Elect shall be deceived").
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Posted on 2/12/22 at 2:23 pm to Liberator
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but hinting at the scripture you cited I never really considered the "Reincarnation" angle TBH. Were you construing Jesus context of convo with Nicodemus ("place or path", "earthly things") as possibly about an "Afterlife" or "Reincarnation" in an earthly realm?
Yeah, we agree across the board...
Jesus used an allegory "born again"/reincarnation to describe the path to heaven, whereas Nicodemus was conflating it with actual Reincarnation until Jesus clarified that it wasn't really a concept of earth.
He was trying to simplify it for the the priest.
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