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re: explain to me why a person would want to buy electric vehicle (like ford f-150 lightning)
Posted on 1/30/22 at 6:33 pm to Lincoln Dawson
Posted on 1/30/22 at 6:33 pm to Lincoln Dawson
After re-reading the OP you’re prepared to pay for a platinum but are balking at a Lightning???
And while we are talking about crapping on EVs. Are you regularly hauling or pulling things that require a full size truck?
I mean I can’t se paying $78,000 for a truck and not using it where it’ll make me money or at least break even.
Gas trucks also have a limited cruising range.
Aka I want to pay no more than $X for a vehicle and anything above that is stupid
And while we are talking about crapping on EVs. Are you regularly hauling or pulling things that require a full size truck?
I mean I can’t se paying $78,000 for a truck and not using it where it’ll make me money or at least break even.
Gas trucks also have a limited cruising range.
Aka I want to pay no more than $X for a vehicle and anything above that is stupid
Posted on 1/30/22 at 6:33 pm to Lincoln Dawson
Is there the thread where we talk about the same shite every week?
Posted on 1/30/22 at 6:40 pm to Lincoln Dawson
They are faster, that's about it. Plan for $20K for batteries after 8 or so years of ownership, so resale will be dreadful. But you'll be cool.
Posted on 1/30/22 at 6:41 pm to Lincoln Dawson
People who want to signal that they are ‘doing something’ for the planet.
EV’s are a scam with regards to helping the planet.
EV’s are a scam with regards to helping the planet.
Posted on 1/30/22 at 6:41 pm to Lincoln Dawson
Why would anyone want a first production year of any model vehicle, be it powered by gas, diesel, electric, or unicorn farts?
Posted on 1/30/22 at 6:41 pm to Lincoln Dawson
If the Model S could come down to 50k I would pull the trigger. I don’t need a gas car. I only commute and drive around locally. Rarely do roadtrips and even then Tesla’s network is not the worst if you plan it correctly.
This is not the case for everyone so it’s just dependent on what you need. I would like to save some gas money.
This is not the case for everyone so it’s just dependent on what you need. I would like to save some gas money.
Posted on 1/30/22 at 6:56 pm to Lincoln Dawson
quote:
but who in their right mind is going to buy an electric model for 20,000 more than gas with a limited cruising range?
Dumbasses
Posted on 1/30/22 at 7:04 pm to Lincoln Dawson
electric motors are ideal for towing short distances. The torque is unbeatable. Tesla’s are cool because the power you get out of even the low end models is far above an equivalent gas car and much cheaper to operate. Would I own either of these vehicles as a “primary” car? No. Can you imagine a hurricane evac with everyone driving electric????
But for a commuter or pulling a boat to the lake and back or a camper to a campground they can be ideal.
But for a commuter or pulling a boat to the lake and back or a camper to a campground they can be ideal.
Posted on 1/30/22 at 7:09 pm to Lincoln Dawson
quote:
it seems like to me that if manufacturers really wanted to push electric model, the pricing model would have to be more advantageous than this example
That's because it's not the manufacturers doing it. They are complying with federal mandates.
Posted on 1/30/22 at 7:29 pm to Lincoln Dawson
If you've never driven an EV you will not understand, and I say this as someone who drove stick shifts for twenty years.
The style of driving for a pure EV is really top-notch. They are the smoothest acceleration, quickest off the line, and nicest to .. brake. Yeah, never thought I'd say that, but regen braking is so much smoother than normal braking.
You mention cost, depending on how much you drive, it will pay itself off in 3 years or so relative to the sticker difference of the old school gas engine and that's just counting never filling up with gas again. You throw in the $7k fed rebate (and I think $2k for LA if they're still doing that) and that's 7-9k in your pocket to either help pay that loan off of put into an investment account (because yeah it will be cash in your pocket).
Here's another benefit most people on here probably don't realize. With the newer EVs, you can actually pull power out of them. IE, they are generators. That's pretty handy in a power outage scenario.
Now, there's still room for hybrids. For example, when I evacuated for Ida having a hybrid was clutch because not only did I not need to fill up that often, but I also wasn't stuck looking for charging stations.
So the only real drawback of an EV right now is charging. You'll have to learn to just charge to 80% on road trips and just get used to that. But once EV charging infrastructure is up to parity with gas, only crazy weirdos or really niche usecases will prefer ICE.
The style of driving for a pure EV is really top-notch. They are the smoothest acceleration, quickest off the line, and nicest to .. brake. Yeah, never thought I'd say that, but regen braking is so much smoother than normal braking.
You mention cost, depending on how much you drive, it will pay itself off in 3 years or so relative to the sticker difference of the old school gas engine and that's just counting never filling up with gas again. You throw in the $7k fed rebate (and I think $2k for LA if they're still doing that) and that's 7-9k in your pocket to either help pay that loan off of put into an investment account (because yeah it will be cash in your pocket).
Here's another benefit most people on here probably don't realize. With the newer EVs, you can actually pull power out of them. IE, they are generators. That's pretty handy in a power outage scenario.
Now, there's still room for hybrids. For example, when I evacuated for Ida having a hybrid was clutch because not only did I not need to fill up that often, but I also wasn't stuck looking for charging stations.
So the only real drawback of an EV right now is charging. You'll have to learn to just charge to 80% on road trips and just get used to that. But once EV charging infrastructure is up to parity with gas, only crazy weirdos or really niche usecases will prefer ICE.
Posted on 1/30/22 at 7:38 pm to Lincoln Dawson
Pros:
If you have a decently long commute, you save yourself the time at the pump. People who commute 80-120 miles per day are not so uncommon.
Similarly, these people putting lots of miles on rapidly are probably a little excited about no oil changes.
Cons:
Long trips become a hassle at best
Price, in this case. There are supposedly cheaper versions than what you’re quoting. Whether they exist on paper or the real world remains to be seen.
Unusable as a towing vehicle beyond the in-town range, basically. So if you sometimes put a riding lawnmower on a yard trailer and go out of town, you are probably ok. But if you want a boat or camper that’s even as far as the standard commute above, it is, again, a hassle at best.
Most people with a commute like that aren’t spending $90K on a commuter vehicle. In a lot of ways, they’re better off in a Corolla.
But if the promised base models in that $35,000 range really do exist and have basic things like AC, cruise control, it would be a great thing to drive 8h/week in and plug it up in 20 seconds instead of stopping at the gas pump once or twice a week.
I wouldn’t get rid of my ICE for that, though.
If you have a decently long commute, you save yourself the time at the pump. People who commute 80-120 miles per day are not so uncommon.
Similarly, these people putting lots of miles on rapidly are probably a little excited about no oil changes.
Cons:
Long trips become a hassle at best
Price, in this case. There are supposedly cheaper versions than what you’re quoting. Whether they exist on paper or the real world remains to be seen.
Unusable as a towing vehicle beyond the in-town range, basically. So if you sometimes put a riding lawnmower on a yard trailer and go out of town, you are probably ok. But if you want a boat or camper that’s even as far as the standard commute above, it is, again, a hassle at best.
Most people with a commute like that aren’t spending $90K on a commuter vehicle. In a lot of ways, they’re better off in a Corolla.
But if the promised base models in that $35,000 range really do exist and have basic things like AC, cruise control, it would be a great thing to drive 8h/week in and plug it up in 20 seconds instead of stopping at the gas pump once or twice a week.
I wouldn’t get rid of my ICE for that, though.
Posted on 1/30/22 at 7:43 pm to Lincoln Dawson
Electric vehicles suck. It’s a glorified golf cart.
Posted on 1/30/22 at 7:54 pm to Lincoln Dawson
quote:Because the vast majority of people are daily commuters and also generally are 2 car households so you have a gas vehicle if you truly feel you need it for long trips, and an EV works perfectly for a daily commuter.
explain to me why a person would want to buy electric vehicle
quote:The main answer to your OP is most EVs that are being purchased aren't remotely near $90k.
i took a quick look at the new f-150 lightning - the electric model and i am in shock. 90,000. not a mistake.
the gas model platinum is expensive enough, but who in their right mind is going to buy an electric model for 20,000 more than gas with a limited cruising range?
Posted on 1/31/22 at 6:44 am to Lincoln Dawson
I have a pre order on the Rivian R1S. $75k tag for it. Comparable would be a Tahoe for also $75k.
I’ll save about $7500/ year in fuel and maintenance and I’m eligible for a very nice tax credit. That break even is not as far off as you think.
I’ll save about $7500/ year in fuel and maintenance and I’m eligible for a very nice tax credit. That break even is not as far off as you think.
This post was edited on 1/31/22 at 6:45 am
Posted on 1/31/22 at 7:07 am to Lincoln Dawson
Electric vehicles have more power and torque. The motor placement qt the wheels means power is no longer produced at the engine, run through a transmission, then a drive shift, then a differential, and finally to the wheels. They are superior to ice vehicles in that aspect. Forget about all the greenie weenie stuff. They're better
Posted on 1/31/22 at 8:00 am to Lincoln Dawson
I think one has to be intrigued about not wanting to pay for gasoline anymore. I have a 2007 Toyota Tundra that gets 12 or 14 miles per gallon. I just want to go back and forth to town (36 mile drive) and haul stuff from Lowes or the grocery store. I have a reservation for a Lightning and I am wanting the super XLT or Lariat. I wouldn't get the Platinum.
I don't think there is any way I'm getting chosen to order a Lightning this year.
My 2007 Tundra has 132,000 miles on it. It'll last another ten years if I need it to.
Gasoline is going to get very expensive one day.
I don't think there is any way I'm getting chosen to order a Lightning this year.
My 2007 Tundra has 132,000 miles on it. It'll last another ten years if I need it to.
Gasoline is going to get very expensive one day.
Posted on 1/31/22 at 8:22 am to Lincoln Dawson
First ,this entire scenario is upside down and backwards. There was a time in the not so distant past where pickup trucks were built for doing work like on the farm , factory , or construction. And they were built for that purpose, a plumber, electrician, or a carpenter would buy one because they needed it to do their trade. The weren't built with leather seats,AC, GPS, AM/FM - CD player, remote mirrors, carpet , USB ports, padded dash, Buck Rodgers dash instruments, and so on. Now the manufacturers want to sell us luxury trucks. In the past folks would aspire to a luxury car , like a Lincoln or a Caddilac, not a truck. These new pickups (and SUVs) are ridiculous. They are to fancy to get mud on, yes they still make the basic stock trucks but they are far and few in between.
As far as the EV, it just moves the tailpipe from the vehicle to the power plant and it will take a large number of solar panels just to charge one vehicle. EVs are not saving the planet.
As far as the EV, it just moves the tailpipe from the vehicle to the power plant and it will take a large number of solar panels just to charge one vehicle. EVs are not saving the planet.
Posted on 1/31/22 at 9:10 am to Lincoln Dawson
quote:
the gas model platinum is expensive enough, but who in their right mind is going to buy an electric model for 20,000 more than gas with a limited cruising range?
You'll pay way more than 20,000 in gas over the life of your truck.
Posted on 1/31/22 at 9:34 am to Lincoln Dawson
1st Gen of any type of vehicle is always a bad decision. Let someone else discover the defects and get corrected before you buy a later model.
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