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A question regarding Zion. First, I admit I've watched him
Posted on 1/16/22 at 12:28 pm
Posted on 1/16/22 at 12:28 pm
play almost none. So, when it comes to his "game", other than what I can gather from digging into his stats and THAT can often times be a bit deceiving, I'm kinda in the dark.
Hypo question? IF...we just totally placed Val at the 3-pt line on offense, would the other team send their, let's say, rim-protecting big center out to guard him OR would they adjust by sending their "4" out to guard Val and use their center to guard Zion? Bottom line, I guess my question is...can the average "5" guard Zion better or worse, than the average "4".
Hypo question? IF...we just totally placed Val at the 3-pt line on offense, would the other team send their, let's say, rim-protecting big center out to guard him OR would they adjust by sending their "4" out to guard Val and use their center to guard Zion? Bottom line, I guess my question is...can the average "5" guard Zion better or worse, than the average "4".
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Posted on 1/16/22 at 12:44 pm to Dinky Mulberry
Zion is the most powerful player in the league, and he is quicker than most guards. He cannot be guarded one on one by anyone. He has still raw and has loads of development to come and still averages 25+ppg.. to answer your question, neither can guard him. Teams have to scheme to stop him..
Posted on 1/16/22 at 12:53 pm to Dinky Mulberry
Zion put up historic numbers facing anywhere from 3-5 defenders each play. It's crazy what he can do.
One problem he faced regularly though is if he sets up on the block that wall of defenders in the paint effectively cuts off passes to the other side of the court, leaving him only 2 safety valves behind him. That's why they started playing Point Zion. Not so he "runs the offense", but so he's attacking from the middle and has more passing options.
As to whether they pack the paint or defend JV, I lean towards packing the paint. But, if Jonas' 43% 3 point shooting is legit, the math gets a little fuzzy and you start asking who's the bigger threat, Zion or a 43% 3 point shooter that's wide open?
One problem he faced regularly though is if he sets up on the block that wall of defenders in the paint effectively cuts off passes to the other side of the court, leaving him only 2 safety valves behind him. That's why they started playing Point Zion. Not so he "runs the offense", but so he's attacking from the middle and has more passing options.
As to whether they pack the paint or defend JV, I lean towards packing the paint. But, if Jonas' 43% 3 point shooting is legit, the math gets a little fuzzy and you start asking who's the bigger threat, Zion or a 43% 3 point shooter that's wide open?
Posted on 1/16/22 at 1:05 pm to TigerinATL
quote:
As to whether they pack the paint or defend JV, I lean towards packing the paint. But, if Jonas' 43% 3 point shooting is legit, the math gets a little fuzzy and you start asking who's the bigger threat, Zion or a 43% 3 point shooter that's wide open?
Thanks, then it seems to me the key is to use Val to unclog the lane as much as possible depending, as you say, on whether his 43% is legit or not. I'm still trying to figure out how in the world somebody like Adams could be on the court with Zion...for ANY amount of time.
Posted on 1/16/22 at 2:08 pm to Dinky Mulberry
Not trying to not answer but it doesn't matter because either way, JV will be ignored and the 4 and the 5 will try to protect the rim and Zion will still score at the rim at a historical rate of volume.
Posted on 1/16/22 at 2:10 pm to Dinky Mulberry
quote:Definitely wasn't ideal but like in my previous post, it just didn't matter if Adams guy ignored him to help on Zion, Zion was likely going to score anyway.
I'm still trying to figure out how in the world somebody like Adams could be on the court with Zion...for ANY amount of time.
The hope here obviously is that JV can hit that 3 at a solid clip but also, JV is still going to be a better finisher at the rim if he does get the pass or an offensive rebound compared to Adams.
Posted on 1/16/22 at 3:12 pm to Dinky Mulberry
Zion would feast if they tried to guard him with a lumbering big.
Posted on 1/16/22 at 5:27 pm to Jester
It's not necessarily what Zion does offensively that is his Waterloo...it's what he can't (at least as of yet) do defensively. I think his defensive rating and rebounding numbers from last year attest to this.
People ask about who would sit if he returns this year. I say:
"Pick your poison".
Sit Josh and you lose rebounding and baseline to baseline energy on both sides of the court. Sit Herb and you sit the best defender on your team if not the division.
Truly the odd man out should be Graham, but you lose your best outside threat who you want on the court with Zion.
Defensive Rating:
Graham (110.2) = C- .... (Size Limitations; post up liability)
Hart (111.9) = D .... (Gambles way too much; often plays 'D' with his hands)
Herb (108.3) = B- .... (Always draws opponents best offensive player; excellent feet)
BI (110.2) = C- .... (Weak inside; get's overpowered)
JV (108.7) = C .... (Get's weaker the further he is from the goal; bad feet)
Zion (111.7*) = D .... (Lost in space; gets caught ball-watching too often).
* Last year's season score
I guess my question is: will whatever he might add offensively (remember the officiating is diiferent this year from last), be offset by the liability of his poor defense?
People ask about who would sit if he returns this year. I say:
"Pick your poison".
Sit Josh and you lose rebounding and baseline to baseline energy on both sides of the court. Sit Herb and you sit the best defender on your team if not the division.
Truly the odd man out should be Graham, but you lose your best outside threat who you want on the court with Zion.
Defensive Rating:
Graham (110.2) = C- .... (Size Limitations; post up liability)
Hart (111.9) = D .... (Gambles way too much; often plays 'D' with his hands)
Herb (108.3) = B- .... (Always draws opponents best offensive player; excellent feet)
BI (110.2) = C- .... (Weak inside; get's overpowered)
JV (108.7) = C .... (Get's weaker the further he is from the goal; bad feet)
Zion (111.7*) = D .... (Lost in space; gets caught ball-watching too often).
* Last year's season score
I guess my question is: will whatever he might add offensively (remember the officiating is diiferent this year from last), be offset by the liability of his poor defense?
This post was edited on 1/16/22 at 5:29 pm
Posted on 1/16/22 at 5:34 pm to brmark70816
quote:
Zion is the most powerful player in the league, and he is quicker than most guards. He cannot be guarded one on one by anyone.
Unfortunately he's a fat frick that's checked out on playing in this city
Posted on 1/16/22 at 6:23 pm to Maybe Next Year
quote:Rebounding wasn't an issue last season, at all. Quite the opposite.
think his defensive rating and rebounding numbers from last year attest to this.
People ask about who would sit if he returns this year. I say:
"Pick your poison".
Sit Josh and you lose rebounding
Zion's numbers were low by design, he was leaking out in transition more so than sitting under the rim waiting for a rebound because we were a top 3 rebounding team, we didn't need him to grab 10 boards a game.
Posted on 1/16/22 at 9:16 pm to shel311
Hart is a much better scorer this year so I donT want to knock him but his rebounding numbers are inflated by him hustling the frick out of rebound they opposing team essentially gave up for and Hart is out jumping his own teammates.
He’s not a bad rebounder, his numbers are just pumped up in that regard
He’s not a bad rebounder, his numbers are just pumped up in that regard
Posted on 1/16/22 at 11:57 pm to brmark70816
The only 5 in the league that’s come remotely close to frustrating Zion is Gafford for the Wizards during 1 half of one game.
Zion can score. I don’t care if he’s 280 pounds, 300 pounds. 320 pounds, or 400 pounds.
He is going to score at an elite and efficient level.
To me, his weight makes the most difference to his ball handling and his ability to change directions defensively.
Zion can score. I don’t care if he’s 280 pounds, 300 pounds. 320 pounds, or 400 pounds.
He is going to score at an elite and efficient level.
To me, his weight makes the most difference to his ball handling and his ability to change directions defensively.
Posted on 1/17/22 at 5:11 am to rondo
quote:
Unfortunately he's a fat frick that's checked out on playing in this city
The worst part about these type of comments are there is an element of truth to them. We just don't know what type of shape Zion is or how much he weighs right now. Almost anyone else would be posting updates and pictures that would show fans progress. It gives credence to the rumors he is so much heavier. It would only take one full figure picture during training in a tee shirt and shorts. Instead we get odd angled shots of him in baggy track suits (that people are altering).
The publicity side of this has been embarrassing. The team has not handled this well at all..
Posted on 1/19/22 at 8:55 am to brmark70816
quote:
Zion is the most powerful player in the league, and he is quicker than most guards. He cannot be guarded one on one by anyone. He has still raw and has loads of development to come and still averages 25+ppg.. to answer your question, neither can guard him. Teams have to scheme to stop him..
If he can't stay healthy and get on the floor, all this doesn't mean shite! I'm over this dude!
Posted on 1/19/22 at 9:29 am to brmark70816
quote:
Zion is 1) the most powerful player in the league, and 2) he is quicker than most guards.
no.
he isnt quicker than any healthy guards.
come on man.
we talking 5 cone?
94 feet without ball.
94 feet and dribbles.
what event is zion quicker than eric xxxx bledsoe. Graham. you name two guards.
if you run zion in 3 cone drill every guard at istrouma is quicker.
pros not even close.
This post was edited on 1/19/22 at 9:33 am
Posted on 1/19/22 at 11:17 am to Dinky Mulberry
quote:
, I'm kinda in the dark.
I tell you this, if you watch a game where Zion is healthy, you wont need Cialis to get it going with your wife that night. You'll already be fully erect.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 11:22 am to CelticDog
quote:
no.
he isnt quicker than any healthy guards.
come on man.
we talking 5 cone?
94 feet without ball.
94 feet and dribbles.
First step he is quicker than most guards. Full court sprint, no. But that doesn't matter.
This post was edited on 1/19/22 at 11:22 am
Posted on 1/19/22 at 12:23 pm to NOFOX
quote:
First step he is quicker than most guards
i will look for that.
i just thought people make business decision not to get in his way.
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