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re: I’ve noticed the service academies have started to win more in recent years
Posted on 12/29/21 at 8:07 am to Buckeye Backer
Posted on 12/29/21 at 8:07 am to Buckeye Backer
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Army isn’t just in an “uptick”...they’re enjoying their most consistent success since their glory days of the 20s 30s 40s and 50s.
yep.
the op was off by a mile.
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Posted on 12/29/21 at 10:02 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
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My theory is it is a direct correlation to the lack of discipline throughout most of the sport and the me culture that recent changes in college football have produced have made these undersized kids who just execute and do their jobs hard to stop
cant speak for the other academies, though it does seem like if anything navy and AF are down, but for ARMY, it has more to do with getting a new general in charge and a better coach. the new general likes sports and loosened up on the weight requirements so long as the recruits are in shape and can meet pt standards. the old gen was hell bent on enforcing the weight requirments.
so in army's case...has nothing to do with what you said.
Posted on 12/29/21 at 10:07 am to wildtigercat93
Navy is down a little, they were a top 25 team a few years ago, wins over Notre Dame and the likes.
Posted on 12/29/21 at 10:08 am to lsu777
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hell bent on enforcing the weight requirments.
Just looking at Army. They have alot of linemen around 280. What was the cutoff before?
Posted on 12/29/21 at 10:12 am to G The Tiger Fan
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Air Force just attempted their first pass after a game and a half of no pass attempts.
It’s a goddamn shame that the Air Force doesn’t run the Air Raid. A goddamn shame and everyone involved should be ashamed.
Posted on 12/29/21 at 2:48 pm to CottonWasKing
Army and Air Force are solid right now. Navy is still a good program too. My theory is this...it’s the cycle of football. When everybody started going to passing offenses...Army couldn’t adapt beyond its triple option and fell off the map. Now, we’ve been in an era of spread offenses and the pendulum swing is about to happen...now that everybody runs the spread and prepares for it...nobody knows how to stop the run anymore. Nobody knows how to run it in scout team practice, AND with the limitations of tackling, power football is seeing a resurgence. Just look at the CFP....Alabama power running game. Cincinnati power running game. Michigan power running game. Georgia power running game. Yes, they ALL can throw the ball too...but power football is coming back into fashion. Army’s offense is a thing of pure beauty when being ran to perfection and this era of soft defenses can’t stop it. These things are cyclical.
This post was edited on 12/29/21 at 2:50 pm
Posted on 12/29/21 at 3:36 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
Nah, just gaming the system like everybody else with their
feeder programs
Army followed suit after an extended losing streak in the '00's that was finally broken in '16
feeder programs
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the 1980s, Navy noticed that the Air Force Academy, which was regularly trouncing it in football, was placing recruited athletes in its prep school. Indeed, in 2003, Fisher DeBerry, the longtime coach of the Falcons, told The Colorado Springs Gazette that the prep school “has had a major impact on the success of our football team.
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Eager to turn the tide against its rival, Navy began to copy DeBerry’s methods. Sure enough, NAPS is now a means by which Navy launders underqualified athletes into the Naval Academy.
Jim Kenney, a retired Navy captain who was the commanding officer of the Navy prep school from 1978-82, recalled that in his era maybe four football players had been enrolled. “Today,” he said, “it is dominated by athletes.”
Army followed suit after an extended losing streak in the '00's that was finally broken in '16
This post was edited on 12/29/21 at 3:38 pm
Posted on 12/29/21 at 3:41 pm to TigerAlum93
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Navy is down a little, they were a top 25 team a few years ago, wins over Notre Dame and the likes.
They’ve won 4 or less game in 3 out of the last 4 seasons.
In the previous 15 seasons before that, they had won atleast 8 games in 13 of those seasons
I’d say they are currently trending pretty down, despite the 2019 impressive season.
Posted on 12/29/21 at 3:44 pm to SammyTiger
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And they were 3-3 last year This was a “recent years”
And were 11-2 in 2019. So they are 24-8 over the past 3 years, stop doubling down and just admit you don’t know what the frick you’re talking about
Posted on 12/29/21 at 6:24 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
They don't play anyone. When they do they, more times than not, get beat. Army's playing teams like Bucknell and Massachusetts.
Posted on 12/29/21 at 6:32 pm to Keys Open Doors
Well that’s silly.
Posted on 12/29/21 at 6:40 pm to arcalades
Maybe, Probably not..... I served in the Army and Navy, conflicted on that game, but the regiment that they go through affords a measure towards greater success than the school I went too.
Posted on 12/29/21 at 7:52 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
This is politically motivated nonsense.
Posted on 12/29/21 at 8:04 pm to JFT96
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They don't play anyone. When they do they, more times than not, get beat. Army's playing teams like Bucknell and Massachusetts
They were playing those same kind of teams and losing...now they’re winning. A 10-2 Army squad played Ohio State a few years ago and gave them everything they wanted. I’m still salty Ohio St essentially got zero credit for that win and ultimately didn’t make the CFP. Then the very next season, a 11 win Army squad took Oklahoma to OT and should’ve won...Oklahoma was then given credit for the win and they made the playoffs. Army had Michigan on the absolute ropes and let it slip away just a year ago. Army is playing and hanging with the big boys!!! Again...Army is in their golden era of “modern day” football.
Just for the hell of it...
Posted on 12/30/21 at 8:37 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
I think it's simple....most teams that aren't in the big bowls simply don't want to be there. The Service Acadamies know that these minor bowls are as good as it's going to get for them and they want to be there.
Plus they have a commitment - I may be wrong but I don't think they have the freedom to opt out nearly as easily as players at all other schools.
Plus they have a commitment - I may be wrong but I don't think they have the freedom to opt out nearly as easily as players at all other schools.
Posted on 12/30/21 at 10:25 am to Tiger Ugly
This isn’t about bowl game success or opt out culture. This thread is about the service academies being pretty good at football these days and what’s driving that.
Posted on 12/30/21 at 10:30 am to keakar
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think it has more to do with them changing and no longer being triple option only offenses. they are more in line with other teams now who throw it a lot
Lol you can’t be serious
Posted on 12/30/21 at 10:44 am to brg0320
Regarding option-based offenses, GT hasn’t done shite since Paul Johnson left. Three straight three win seasons.
Posted on 12/30/21 at 11:08 am to wildtigercat93
quote:USNA has changed the system on the prep school a bit, they were noticing a trend of prep school kids not making it past 2nd year at annapolis and tweaked the requirements and regimen a bit.
They’ve won 4 or less game in 3 out of the last 4 seasons.
In the previous 15 seasons before that, they had won atleast 8 games in 13 of those seasons
I’d say they are currently trending pretty down, despite the 2019 impressive season.
Posted on 12/30/21 at 11:22 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
Also being physical. The spread has made football a less physical game and a lot of teams are geared up to run and chase not stand and fight.
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